Just noticed an error in my earlier post, the Vickybuster textures are actually a combined effort by Staale and SnowSultan.

Michael and Victoria are both retail models from Zygote/Daz 3D (www.daz3d.com). Theyre much more versatile and expressive than the default poser models, and require much less postwork -- meaning when you pose them they have less joint anomalies and sharp edges. They do cost quite a bit if you take into consideration that you need their clothing packs (standard poser clothing wont fit them). Your best bet is to pick up their CD compilations, which include their clothing pack, texture map and hair at a discounted price. Id go for Michael first, since the P4 nude male isnt very versatile. However, if you dont want to spend the money right away then there are plenty of free items here on Renderosity that can get you started. Grab Dr. Morpheen by Syyd, the best texture out there for the P4 male. It also comes with quite a few morphs built in. Best P4 nude female texture is, in my opinion, Staale's Vickybuster series. I used the default poser models and Eve (available from Morph World) for almost a year before I scraped together enough money to buy a little collection of Daz3D models.

Very nice work man, I really like it. How long did that take to render in Bryce? Looks like one mother of a .br4 file.

I'll certainly miss your good-natured wit. Please visit us often.

isidro, why are you trying so hard to provoke me? I could lose my temper and call you an annoying, arrogant little troll that resorts to cheap little insults to try and incite an all-out flame war in a forum. I could, but I wont. Rather, I take comfort in the knowledge that there is no way any company would take your rediculous 'suggestions' and include them in an economy priced program. Nor will they, based on a whim, totally change their target market for a program from the home and small-business user to the high-end graphics departments of large corporations. Face it, you arent going to get the functionality of high-end modelling suites like Maya in a $200 program, nor is Curious Labs going to decide to compete with those same high-end modelling suites, somehow miraculously put together a product on their level, and raise their price tag by a few thousand dollars. I'm tired of trying to reason with you, when Poser 5 comes out in a few months I'll be around to say I told you so.

Well, isidro, the fact that you are now resorting to childish insults doesnt impress me at all, nor does it suprise me. I would expect nothing less of you. Would it bother me if Poser went up in price? Yes. Im sure it would bother most of the people here. Poser is a niche product, and as such it is competitively priced. If Poser 5 attempted to replicate Max or Lightwave, why the hell would I pay its inflated price tag? Lightwave and Max have been around for years, and they are established high-end 3D modelling and animation programs.

isidro, I seriously doubt that you are a professional modeller, because if you were you would know how unrealistic this 'wish list' is. Think of the pressure youre putting on Curious Labs with rediculous expectations like this. If you read my post, youll have noticed the point about 'better integration with 3dsmax and lightwave'. Thats a realistic goal. To expect Poser 4 to perform like 3dsmax and lightwave is #$#%$^ rediculous. Ive put together a software package that includes most of the features that have been listed here (but still lacks the comprehensive model library that poser has). This is how off you are as to prices: Poser 4 = $200 what youre expecting Poser 5 to do may be pulled off with the following system: (and, to be nice, I chose Max and not Maya) 3DStudio Max 4 $ 3450 Discreet Reactor (Havok) $ 995 Shag: Hair $ 495 Digimation BonesPro $ 495 Discreet Mental Ray $ 2995 -------- $ 8430 (not including taxes and shipping) So, how on earth could you possibly expect these features in a $200 animation program? Please explain this, because apparently the laws of economics do not apply in the Poser Forum.

Jesus. "comparably priced 3D packages have features like... yadda yadda" Whatever. Name one other software package that has such a comprehensive, high quality fully-poseable model library, free for commercial use. You can't, because they dont exist. So please, before you start comparing Poser to other low-end 3D programs make sure you are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Poser is a product designed to do one thing -- animate and render poseable models. Its never been intended to be used as a modelling program. As for Havok, for christs sake it doesnt even ship with 3DSMax, which costs 20 times what Poser costs. Its available as a plugin for Max that currently costs more than Poser 4 in itself. Lets quit the daydreaming for a moment and realise that Poser is a $200 program and youre not going to get even close to the functionality of Max or Maya. But you do get a great model library and it does what it was intended for well. Put to rest any notions that youre going to model, animate and render the sequel to the Final Fantasy movie with Poser 5, because its just not going to happen.

LOL. Youre an extremely sick individual.

Haw haw haw. You're a funny guy, Joe -- its a shame youre not a stand-up comedian. I wasn't attacking you personally, its just that I've read a lot of "I want this in Poser 5" threads and the majority of them are extremely unrealistic. Some have even compared Poser to high-end 3D modelling/animation programs such as Maya 4 and SoftImage|XSI. You have to realise that there are programs out there that cost $15000 and include features that couldnt possibly be included in a low-end hobby program like Poser (oh-oh, I'm really going to get it for this one). Everyone can dream, and a lot of your 'dreams' are great ideas that would be nice in Poser 5, and some of them will probably be implemented. But COME ON!!! Skeletal systems, wind & gravity and other universal laws, clothing collision detection and geometric hair???? I think youre reaching, man. Although I'd like to see them in Poser 5 as well, I've come to terms with the fact that they wont be there. This isnt an issue of "setting low consumer expectations", its an issue of "setting REALISTIC customer expectations". So Joe, I am here for the sole purpose of pulling your feet back down to earth -- you're so high off the ground you're almost in orbit. I'm here to save you!

I honestly think what youre asking for is a little over the top for a low-end graphics program like Poser. Jesus, I look at some of the things people are expecting from Poser 5 and it makes me laugh. If you want those things then go buy Maya or SoftImage -- but even high-end, hideously expensive software like that requires several plugins to achieve what you want. I would honestly be happy with a better lighting and rendering engine, plugin support and an SDK (so that we can start seeing 3rd party plugins for Poser hit the market) and multiple levels of undo. A bit better integration with Max and Lightwave would also be great -- I'd give both my legs (don't need em for CG anyway) if Poser could export to .max format, but I doubt thats very realistic either. If Poser is released anytime soon I think these are realistic expectations from a $200 program. Don't expect a model library on par with Vicky and Michael, and don't expect features that are only available in high-end professional 3D software suites.

In my opinion you should add some leather straps around the armored skirt (where its attached to the bikini piece). Also, maybe add some leather trim around the edges. It looks a little too solid green the way it is, and if you add the arms and helm as well shell just look like a green blob. Its the little details that distinguish the exceptional armor from the mediocre. Also, the scales on the legs look quite a bit larger than the scales on the chest and skirt. Dont get me wrong, youre doing great. But you asked for feedback and this is what I would do.

William, I suggest you re-read the post by Ms Outlaw above, paying particular attention to the Instant Message, before you start creating hypothetical situations. Shlabber, I realise it was a cross-post and deleted my message asking why you were defending him right away. No biggie, I cross-post all the time, and have made quite a fool of myself doing it too :)

Posting an image using a free background and not giving credit is not theft. Senjin claims in his comments to have created the image himself in Bryce 4. That is theft. Theres no grey area here at all.

The background was actually created by Ms Outlaw in Terragen and PSP. Its distressing when someone offers a package of backgrounds as a free download and someone else claims them as their own. Its what discourages many artists from creating items for the Free Stuff archives. Please do not plagiarize other's work or try to pass it off as your own. It is theft, plain and simple, and hurts the artist more than you could possibly understand senjin. Blackhearted