Give 'em a break! Bryce 5 has hardly cooled down yet.

I don't mind having both in a file; but often I find only the png.

But it's a pain when people who have Pro Pack distribute stuff with .png thumbnails and no .rsr files, because the large number (majority?) of people who have Poser 4 and not Pro Pack then have to make their own rsrs. As long as both programs read rsr, it would seem better to standardise on that.

thip - nowhere am I suggesting it's not art if you don't do everything yourself. At the outset I said very few people can make good figure models and skin textures and no-one should be expected to. But how do we share the secrets of creativity? Not for nothing was creativity attributed to a mysterious disembodied muse who visits you or not as her fancy takes her. Can I share the secret of imagination with you?

These people are also responsible for some of those irritating pop-up ads. I suspect there is a correlation between pop-up ads and outfits with bad business practices (like online casinos). Maybe we should start a league to boycott all businesses that employ pop-up ads?

This thread diverted to discussing copyright issues in general because there, there is something to discuss. In your case, Blackhearted, before you start swearing again, there is nothing more to discuss. Your light set was ripped off. No-one disputes it. We agree. No more to say. By the way, from what I could see, that light set sucks like a tornado. :) :) :) !!! This is fun - if I put enough smilies after it I can say anything I like. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! All right, I'm being silly. I'll stop now. Ahem.

Some people took this way too seriously ... did I say the marketplace was wrong? I spend money there myself, you know. But not on pose sets, you bet.

b and m are close together on the keyboard, easy to hit the wrong one. Your typing ain't perfect either. Really, I just wanted to respond to your question about galleries for topics. It would make much more sense than the present arrangement of galleries by software. If I want to look at pics of spaceships I really couldn't care less as a viewer if they were made in Bryce or Lightwave or Notepad if the image is good. But alas, this view has not carried weight with the powers that be.

I'm reminded of the Dilbert cartoon where the employees discover they can insult the boss any way they like as long as they preface the remark with the words "with all due respect". "With all due respect sir, the mother that raised you would have drowned nothing." So if I posted "Blackhearted is being really inane here :)" that would be all right with him? :)

Both of us have the latest patch. I do not have Pro Pack, but the recipient does. Should this make a difference?

These are crazy prices ...

Mesh objects are not simply an arrangement of vertices in space any more than a painting is an arrangement of pigment on a canvas. And both are different from the arrangment of objects on my desk (can I copyright that?). Creating Anton's clothes or Hockney's paintings takes more than twiddling a few dials. Like ChuckEvans, I find it hard to believe that a list of URLs can be copyrighted. If it is possible, it shouldn't be. Just as it shouldn't be possible for the Olympic Games Committee to force a Greek restaurant called "Olympus" to change its name, even though it's been called that for years. Yet an abusive law permits this.

I remember reading that some waster created a web site half of which was a list of his t-shirts, and the other half was copyright warning notices in case anyone should steal his list of t-shirts. Sad, sad.

Quite right, blackhearted, I don't know bebop at all, or any of the things you describe. I'm projecting my ideas on him. I said it was only a guess, which means I allow for the possibility it is a wrong guess. Is there any reason why he's picked on you in particular for such a vendetta? The arguments about copyright go beyond idea and actuality. There have been claims here before that hand poses infringe someone else's copyright on hand poses. The idea of a hand pose for a fist and the actual dial settings are almost inseparable. Any two fist poses are likely to be so close as to be indistinguishable. Anyone claiming copyright on a fist is just a public nuisance. As far as I see it, your point rests somewhat on degree. Twisting one dial can't be copyrighted, but twisting 100 can be. How about 50? 25? 12? Suppose I'm working in a theatre working with real lights. I light a scene with 20 spots, should I be able to copyright the arrangement and sue a rival theatre if they come up with something similar? Let's leave copyright for the purposes for which it was intended - protecting genuine works of creativity. And no, I don't see a 3d arrangement of Poser lights as a creative work no matter HOW much work went into it.