I appreciate what you're saying Crescent and I remember the discussion that moved the vendor advertising out of this forum because it was starting to get flooded with reposts of WIP this and that and Coming Soon, but it's not stopped there. Admin and mods have interpreted this to mean various things but mainly "no linking". Long argument in Team Contact where Clint made it pretty clear that linking to a freepage (independant site) was ok or the front page of a commercial (non-competing) site was ok(ish) but the situation wasn't really resolved as such and as you know, there's still some confusion, and not just amongst mods. Thanks for noticing though, be nice if it ever did get sorted out properly. :)

I agree with you, JHoagland just recently got hit with this nonsense when he was answering a question about Mat Poses and he said he made a utility that made them, included a link to the store so members could go look and had his post deleted as a result. It's not the first time, it won't be the last and it's just one of this silly things that happen around here. :)

Unfortunately there is an unwritten rule here that prevents people linking or posting links or much of anything else to other sites as Renderosity considers this unfair competition. One might get away with linking to the front page of a site but not if it's a "competing" site and certainly not if it's an item in a store. It still hasn't sunk through the skulls of the PTB that this is a community and there is no competition between sites but there would be co-operation if 'rosity could just get a clue. Anyway, it's all discussed at some length in the Team Contact Forum when they banned Rena from posting the PWFW updates in here to let members know because of this unwritten, sketchily detailed rule. Vendors cannot post links to or promote (tell people) about their files in this forum. That also is a rule that's enforced but seemingly not for some. Sorry, you'll have to take that one up with the distant and not entirely present powers that be.

***I'll consider your position here to be punishment enough. ;] *** ROTLMAO....

Congratulation Ironbear, looks like the finally noticed you. :) I wonder how many of the other site's store staff and admin who don't "occassionaly sign their mails" will last out before they're tracked down and booted. Obviously next step will be moderators. It's a teeny bit mindless and pathetic to kick out owners and admin and leave their "spies" in place to "steal all the secrets of the death star" smirk This site never ceases to amaze and amuse, truly it should be re-named Ludicrosity.

Carefull Illusions, making mistakes like that and attributing comments to the wrong people can cause erm... problems sometimes. I said that, not Lon. :) Lon: When you get stock in this company? Not being funny but if it wasn't for user feedback, discussion, rhetoric and in some cases screaming and tearing of hair with much gnashing of teeth and foot stamping this site would be very different. Considering some of the things that have been argued out on the past, I'd hesitate to say that this site would be a lot worse though in some cases it might have been better if certain changes weren't undertaken. The gallery is here because people requested one, the store has changed over the last year because people have complained about aspects of it which has helped the management to change the store so it's better for people who use it brokers and buyers alike. Same with the galleries and the forums. They've all changed in one way or another over time as a result of people standing up and voicing their opinion. Regardless of whether or not they own shares. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand your logic, silence is not an answer to anything. You don't get things looked at or fixed or changed by being silent. The nuditity filters are there because they were requested, the freestuff now has a text box for information and is seperated into relevant sections and has the "commercial/non commercial" tag available because people complained and brought it to the attention of the PTB. So, you carry on quietly using this site, never mentioning or complaining about anything (except other people of course). I much prefer that people DO stand up and voice their opinions and argue, and discuss, and complain because it all helps to improve the environment that represents this website although oft times it appears the contrary.

Ahh yes, the typical response. Well, I guess that everybody should just suck it up then and let whatever happens happen. Never complain about anything just blindly accept it because it won't change anything. Funny thing that, history states things differently. The history of this site is one such example that people who do stand up and let themselves be heard instead of blindly accepting everything CAN change this site and the way it's run. Not often, but it happens. Seeing as you were "here before the stores" you'll have seen that happen. Or did you blink and miss it?

Fascinating, I don't see anyone causing a ruckus. I guess I must be looking at a completely different thread.

Illusions wrote: By the way...which came first Neither. I've been saying it for a long time. First time would have been here in Poser Forum or C&D, next after that at 3DCommune which suffers a similar condition.

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Illusions wrote: Me: And that changed because? Because I thought I had something to contribute to this site. Over time it became apparent that wasn't the case so I moved on and now come back to watch it slowly degrade into Ludicrosity, snicker, stick my unwanted and tiresome nose into things and of course, find news snippets concerning the centre of the universe known as Poser. :)

Illusions wrote: Now, I never said I was tired of reading it... Ahh, my mistake then, I took the wrong inference from your "tiresome" comment. As regards the opinion of the larger majority of site members. Seeing as they can't be bothered or (due to language barriers) can't read the forums, what good would a poll do? There are polls on the front page from time to time, very few people bother to vote in them. Any idea why? I'll give you a clue. When this site first formed I had no interest at all in the politics and bitch fest that was going on so I set my favourites marker to the freestuff area. It's the only place I went. A friend of mine set his to the poser gallery. neither of us saw the forums, nor the front page. What poll? I know other people who are bookmarked at their favourite forum and when they click the link to 'rosity it takes them there. Front page? What Poll? Then allow for foreign nationals who come here to look at pictures and snaffle freebies and a percentage of them won't even know that there is a poll because they can't read it. Allow also that a percentage of that 100,000 are clone accounts, some people have many, others only one and allow that another percentage of that 100,000 are dead accounts (because you can't delete your membership here) and all of a sudden that number comes down even further. Poll of members? Only if you force everyone to sign up again. And even then I'd say a good chunk of them wouldn't be able to read well enough to find out why they have to sign up again. So, a poll? I predict you'd be real lucky to get 150 votes. Illusions wrote: And the inconsistency is what...Renderosity is not Disneyland? No, the inconsistency is much larger than that, but Renderosity does often try to pretend it's Disneyosity when patently it isn't. :)

In case it's slipped your attention Illusions there might be 100,000 plus members but the larger majority of those come here for the freestuff and galleries, there certainly isn't 100,000 people posting in the forums. Plus there are several other busy forums as well. Look through them sometime and you'll see the same names over and over again talking, helping, offering ideas and yes, bitching about stuff. Why is Poser forum more vociferous in places like Team Contact about the site? Well, probably because the store is pretty much 95% Poser oriented, as are the banners and front page adverts, magazine etc etc etc. Getting tired of it? Well, you could always stop reading it. Seems pretty simple to me.

He was asking for the obj file Anton. Can't test drive an object can you? Well, unless you're conversent with character setup in Poser. So, I disagree, it's not a given fact that this person was searching for warez. A relatively safe assumption but not a given fact. There are a considerable number of files available for download that require the Victoria object in order to work - clothing, characters, etc. Not saying the person is innocent, but I'm not prepared to condemn them either. Not without further evidence. :)

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