This is funny, Daz users wanting to get back to talking about Poser, Poser users wanting to continue talking about Daz....MM3 don't even bother responding to these trolls.

End of the day does it really matter? All that matters is the end result, and that is that SM does not have Dson natively implemented. Trying to decode the past isn't going to change that fact. Can we please drop this now? It is OT.

Maybe source was the wrong word. But it doesn't change the context. My point was, DSON is the file format, it is OPEN and anyone can read it. The DSON Importer for Poser is the importer that gets DSON files into Poser, that software is not open. That Daz owns. Doesn't change the logistics of the conversation that SM did not want to incorporate the DSON format natively, which is OPEN. So sue me for using the wrong word lol, the original point remains unchanged.

Are you part of a registered company that will use Dson to Daz's benefit within this industry? If not they do not have to show you anything to be honest. If you are, then please send them a business proposal. There are specific channels you have to go through. You can't just demand that things be shown:) I don't see why that information should be made public to people who have no intention of using it, and who are just demanding it for alternative agendas. This thread is about Poser11. Why are you all so obsessed with Dson? That ship has sailed.

See Rawn, I told you to correct your post because people would think I am a rep the way you posted it. You even confused poor Kevin:) Thanks for clarifying Kev. Anyways..back on topic...

Umm a bit too late don't you think? Why would Daz be interested now when it's not really part of their business plan anymore? This level of interest had to happen during G1 days. It is too late now. Daz has already moved on, so have most content developers. SM wanted to go on their own path, well now they need to walk it.

_ I'm wondering just how rosy things are at DAZ, because there is a group of DAZ vendors who seem to invest a lot of their time keeping watch on Poser forums, and spending much time propagandizing in Poser forums._

Things are very rosy not that you would actually believe anything we say. Not that it really is part of this conversation. So...correcting false statements is propaganda? Sounds to me that spreading false comments in the first place is propaganda. And FYI some of us spend plenty of times in all the forums. But ye..this place seems like a cult that some are not allowed to join.....

chaecuna posted at 6:13PM Mon, 23 November 2015 - #4240470

My spider senses are tingling.

Somebody is getting nervous.

A community that is collectively waking up after a 16 years of coma (1999 Victoria 1) and wrapping up their sleeves, all these talks about Cycles and Blender, chilling mentions to MakeHuman and similar tools, questions about G3/V7 restricted to two low activity threads (one here, one on RDNA)... yes, it is a different atmosphere, especially since in this environment DAZ has either to "de-emphasize" DAZ Connect or go on and start really losing customers...

Yes..Just like your other assumption in the Daz forums that Pauline content is coming in droves and that Daz should watch out. And you made that assumption based on the 9 products that were released. So forgive me if I don't really take your assumption about Daz connect and them losing customers. What was it you said?

"There are 9 just released products for Pauline in Rendo marketplace, many of them developer's oriented. For the first time, I see third party traction on SM figures. Apparently, the nightmare of a market completely monopolized by DAZ and captive in the cloud is spurring content providers to action. "The more you tighten your grip...".

So that was day one..Where is the rest? Even Dawn had more traction at release.

tonyvilters posted at 5:20PM Mon, 23 November 2015 - #4240455

Let me help you: a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n;o;p

Yes the D comes before the P.

Couldn't agree more. Daz is ahead of Poser. Anyways back to Poser11.....Just popped in to clear up some things.

tonyvilters posted at 5:13PM Mon, 23 November 2015 - #4240449

STORES?

I give **** for the stores.

When you can not give it away for free? Keep it.

Umm some of us do this for a living. This is our jobs? Very silly comment to make actually.

EVERYBODY wants Gen3/V7 in Poser, but only DAZ can make that happen.

Yes Vilters, like Daz can incorporate the Dual Quaternions for SM. Again, shows how little you know.

Show how much DAZ cares for its vendors.

Umm more vendors are now developing for Daz? Most important factor for a vendor is possible revenue generated. In that case I would say Daz cares very much.

What you fail to understand here is us vendors were all on board to support both platforms. There is plenty of evidence if you look at the earlier content. Unfortunately if one side isn't going to play ball to support the platform that is generating revenue for us, most of us will be forced to choose between the two.

OOO the whole "this is Poser forum" defense. Anyways Vilters, believe whatever you want. Trying to explain isn't going to change anything now anyways. I suggest you get back to work to support Pauline and Paul because so far I am hardly seeing anything in the stores. Come on now, get cracking. Content is king remember?

Please FFS stop spreading this crap. DSON is Open source! SM chose NOT to include it in Poser. There is no legal nonsense that says they can't, or any instance where they have to pay Daz to incorporate it. Daz approached them and said "Here guys, this is what we are doing, this is our new figure and format, do you want to include it?" SM said NO. Only viable alternative was Daz creating the DSON importer, a "hack" since at the time they felt the Poser market was still viable to their business, and wanted them to also experience the Genesis platform. However the Poser users gave DSON a big Fuck you, and therefore support was eventually dropped, because Daz could not improve it without SM's help, and SM didn't lift a damn finger in that regard. It is a shame, because via DSON, developers could easily support both platforms. That was the plan. A bridge between the two apps and only DSON provided that, meaning content developers wouldn't have to do everything twice.

Does it make any sense that Daz wouldn't want more of the market using their figures and content? Have an issue with Poser not being compatible with Genesis or their format, go speak to SM. I am sick of these ambassadors repeating the same BS lies to users blaming Daz when they should be pointing fingers at SM. So what did Daz do with Genesis3? They said fine and stopped Poser support, because their user base has expanded so much that Poser as a business model is no longer a viable. Why should they bother anymore when they now have the muscle and market and vendor support to now stand on their own feet? What is SM's response to that? Pauline and Paul.....Great job there...So yes, If you want to use the Genesis platform, use Studio, because support for Poser from Daz is officially over.

Or at least shader presets and converters from Firefly to Superfly to get users started. The evil empire made sure they provided users with this at launch as well as a few products to assist with the adaptation to Iray from 3dLight, and within 2 days users were getting good results, submitting tons of Iray renders. Where are the Superfly renders? This tinkering do it yourself mentality that SM has is an epic fail and only appeals to a very few power users. And failing to provide users with a starting point to ease them into Superfly at launch is just another example that they do not know how to sell a feature. So come on power users, wow us here, or at least your own users.