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Stacey,
I take your point on the prioritization. I know how that goes, and I don't know enough to comment on the right balance for your business.
However, I do believe that my suggestion is much closer to the answer than the current situation. As it is, the "temporary" pulling of an image may as well be deletion since by the time time the situation is resolved, the comment window has largely passed. That is, if the image is offline for 6-24 hours, it generally receives far fewer comments from our peers, which is probably the main reason we're here.
Perhaps having "thumbnail under review" icons would make the galleries look unprofessional, but you should balance that against what many artists have complained is an extreme punishment in the enforcement of a policy that is by demonstration nebulous. (I say that because despite your protestations that it's quite clear, there continue to be cases of enforcement when the artists felt they were in compliance.) It seems that every month, one of my favorite artists packs up and leaves over such policies as this. Perhaps that's a result you can live with, but it doesn't send a good message about this being a good artist community.
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Quote - ... You should have a couple of flags to set on each gallery posting: thumb-violation and image-violation. If the image-violation is checked, then it works as the "image under review" does now. If the thumb-violation is checked, then the gallery index page should be generated with the IMG tag pointing to the Content Advisory or some Thubnail-Under-Review icon.
It's been a little over a month since I made this suggestion. The idea is that you could flag a thumbnail violation and only keep the thumbnail from being displayed rather than restricting access to the image itself. IMO, it's the image-block that seems to generate the most ire.
Has this been discussed any of of the relevant staff meetings? Is it feasible? Is it being planned?
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Quote - If the thumbnail is the problem, but the image isn't, why not switch the thumbnail for an official one that says "Thumbnail under review".
That way an acceptable image stays in the gallery until the thumbnail gets replaced.
Yep, that was my suggestion too.
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Quote - actually if you came into my house wearing so much cologne I reacted, then yes. the same rules apply.. since you'd be toxic to anyone with Asthma...
Personally, I'd agree with you. I'm a big "don't insert non-standard chemicals into my local atmosphere" kind of guy.
But keeping this in the realm of analogy, you could understand how I might be annoyed since you're policy said "no smoking", not "no cologne". In my thumbnail case here (and I supect in others' as well), I felt I was in compliance with the policy, so I felt that the response was both incorrect and unnecessarily heavy-handed.
So, this is not a black-and-white case of whiners telling R'osity they can't do what they want on their own site. Rather, I've seen a number of shades-of-gray cases where artists felt they were in compliance and instead got hit with the minimum-response hammer that R'osity has at its disposal.
Dan among Den
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Quote - I am a non smoker. you come into my house, I ask you not to smoke. do you light up?
unless you are really out to offend and piss ppl off, you don't. right?
same thing here. the owners have asked us to comply to their rules since it is their house.
Nice analogy, but I believe the ongoing controversy centers less around whether or not R'osity has the right to restrict smoking in their house and more about what qualifies as smoking. The thumbnail that I used (which seems to have reignited this thread) was IMO in compliance with the policy. My complaint is not with the policy, but with its implementation.
So, to use your analogy, I showed up at your house wearing cologne, and you objected because you had a bad reaction to it. I responded with, "But I'm not smoking! Why are you aiming that fire extinguisher at me?"
I made a couple of suggestions about how to improve the handling of the thumbnail violations so that the response would not seem as heavy-handed. The software might or might not support it. In the meantime, I'll be doing the equivalent of going through decontamination procedures with my thumbnails before entering the "no nude smokers" zone.
Dan among Den
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Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
I understand what you're saying about the current limits of the software. I'm just saying how it should work IMO. You shouldn't be doing it manually. You should have a couple of flags to set on each gallery posting: thumb-violation and image-violation. If the image-violation is checked, then it works as the "image under review" does now. If the thumb-violation is checked, then the gallery index page should be generated with the IMG tag pointing to the Content Advisory or some Thubnail-Under-Review icon.
But I bet you can't get the software to do that right now. So, just file it away under the "Gallery Wishlist" heading.
Dan
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Quote - We cant just pull the thumbnail Dan, because then the gallery would have a bunch of images with no thumbs..and thumbs are required in the gallery except in the writers and freestuff area I believe.
When I say "pull the thumbnail", I mean replace it with the standard content advisory one, or some new one that is "Thumbnail under review". Presumably it would just be temporary.
As for having a "bunch of images with no thumbs", how often does this happen anyway?
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Ok, I have now done so.
However, I did send an email earlier saying that I had already uploaded the new icon, and since I saw it on the Renderosity site (briefly before the image was pulled), it should be up there already.
My point on the default content advisory is that IMO your default policy on thumbnail violations should be to pull the thumbnail, NOT the image itself.
Thread: New Thumbnail Policy - Please read | Forum: Community Center
Content Advisory! This message contains nudity
Gettin' my angry icon on...
Complaint:
I had an image pulled this evening because of its icon. I believe it was in compliance with thumbnail policy since no nudity was visible. The moderator said it was because the nudity was merely blurred, when it was actually completely obscured. Perhaps the confusion was because I had a soft edge to the obscuration and it was a similar color the image background. See the original thumbnail here:
http://www.twosidesimaging.com/images/YABP37_thumb.jpg
Now, it's your site, and you have the right to whatever policies you want (to the limit of the artists' patience), so I'm not telling you not to have your policy. I'm just pointing out that I believe I was in compliance with the thumbnail policy.
In response, however, I used the Edit feature to upload a new icon, and I was even able to see that icon briefly on my artist page, so I know it got up there correctly. The new icon is a different cropping that shows no nudity. I sent a message that I had done so.
Five hours later, the image is still blocked. You could block it w/in 20 minutes, but I'm supposed to allow 24 hours for you to unblock it? If it were a matter of me sticking to my position and asking for further review, that's one thing, but since I complied with the request, I would have expected it to be resolved in a more timely manner.
In the meantime, my regular viewers are being presented with "This image is under review." Chances are, they won't go back after it has been cleared up, and many of them may never see it. This may seem minor, but the whole point of posting the image is for it to be seen.
Suggestion:
So, instead of pulling the image because of perceived thumbnail violation, why can't you just replace it with the "Content Advisory" thumbnail until the matter is resolved? That way the image itself can continue to be viewed while the thumbnail manner is sorted out.
I confess I didn't read the entire 12 screens of the thread, so perhaps this has already been suggested. In that case, consider this a vehement "ME TOO!!"
I know you're running a business, but over the years, your policies have been growing increasingly heavy-handed. While I'm not threatening to leave, these policies have made me prepare alternate galleries elsewhere, and that also makes me shop elsewhere. Sooner or later, this hits your bottom line.
Dan among Den
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Alas, I don't think that will give me the effect I want. The object that is supposed to cast the shadows (the vines) needs to be lit (not in shadow), while the objects behind the vines need the shadow. Hence, the shadow needs to start at the vines, not at the light.
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EyeHeight -0.452
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It's still a little bright, but it's better. The results are here (new V4 on left, default V4 on right)
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