cybermonk,I appreciate the help,tomorrow I will reinstall and use the first patch,the second patch may be the problem,like I mentioned above ,I heard it may be buggy,I think that would be A good place to start unless someone else has any other ideas.

Laurie,no besides the problem with the face as I mentioned above,she renders great in Vue,I saved Dina as an obj. and 3ds and tried to import into Bryce 5 after I read your post to see what it would do and it gave me an bad media error. I don't know what is causing that, david

I almost forgot,I got the second patch and heard it has some bugs,could that be the problem?I may re install and d/load the first patch and see if that fixes it.

cybermonk,yes I installed the latest patch,and yes I did load it into Vue As an pz3 file.I tried it as an pz3 file first and then I tried the obj and 3ds files to see if that may be the problem.I haven't had any trouble loading up any other pz3 files.In fact I like he way Vue imports poser, alot easier then Bryce.

Felderin,I just got Vue 4 that I ordered from DAZ today,and I promise you won't regret it.It loads up poser charactres really great.I upgraded to Bryce 5 and wish I would have gotten Vue first instead.Like I said,I just got it this afternoon and I allready fell in love this program.

I ordered it from DAZ monday and just got it this afternoon,and from what little foling around I did whith it so far,I love it .The scenery is great,Bryce,eat your heart out!

I called them today and all they asked for was my Bryce 4 serial #.That was it,they didn,t get my name or ask if it was registered or not.And they give me A new # and it worked like A charm.

DigitalDream, I had the Corel patch installed,after reading your reply,I reinstalled it and it still say's my Bryce4 Sn is invalid. I'll have to call them tommorow,they should be able to give me A new sn that will work. Thanks for youir reply, David

Never mind,I did A search on this topic and seems that only serial numbers from Corel version work-I bought my Bryce4 when it was still Metacreations.It sucks spending 150 bucks for software that you bring home and can't use.

Now you know why they call it Curious Labs,they are curios about whats on your system.

bbascuba,there is indeed one in the free stuff by Jackie Lewin.Just go to the free stuff and use the search option and type in saddle.

bbascuba,here is the address to go to dl Alladin.I dl it earlier today.If you are going to us it to unzip the stuff from DTHUREGRIF,It works ok, but the two bumpmaps are in pict. format,and I havent got anything to change them into another format yet.As far as A saddle,I think there is one in the free stuff section.Hope this helps,David. http://www.aladdinsys.com