Wireframe without OpenGL works fine now. My house project no longer crashes when selecting the cylinder and cube for the door. However, droping my group is a bit unexpected, as it tries to drop the cylinder to the ground too - instead of maintaining the relative distance of the objects within the group. If I wanted the cylinder to drop, I'd select it by itself. Beside the missing branches and interface redraw issues, there is also a bit of an issue with rendering a full screen image on Mac. It doesn't seem possible to do anything with such an image after it's rendered. Actually you just have to push Escape before the menus return, but it's not obvious. And cancelling with Escape doesn't bring the menus back either - have to press Escape twice more (in 4.04 too btw). If you go back to the scene with F8 - getting back to the 3D scenes becomes difficult as F8/Esc don't do it. - n8

Just got a message from Steve Bell - there will be a 4.05 patch that will address many of the issues, including "nudge" support. It is coming soon, maybe even this week! :-)

After using Vue4 Mac for a while, I can assure you that it has much bigger problems than the nudge keys not working. Besides redraw problems where things don't appear in the material editor and such, I've managed to crash it several more times. At one point I had to reinstall the app just to get it to launch properly. I had done a save & quit, which seemed to save but not quit. I pushed the red "x", but apparently it was still doing something because it crashed and left that file messed up - along with everything else. My most recent crash left me without the scene file I was working on (unless I'm just really confused and didn't save this time around, but I thought I had). Fun, :( - n8

Yes - there is still a way to do pretty much everything if you use the mouse - which is how most Mac users are anyway, and I'm certainly not a Vue power user at this point. The main one is that nudge doesn't work. However, even in this case you can tweak the x,y,z in the numerics tab. It's just a pain! The other thing is that nearly all key combos that involve the mouse aren't documented properly in the quick reference card, manual and online help. This is because they intended to use Command-click to be equivalent to a right mouse button. But instead they used Ctrl-click - which reversed a bunch of commands around. The help does say Ctrl-click, but they didn't address the command reversal (for commands that utilized Ctrl already). They use the same help for PC/Mac - so the best thing they can do is split the Key reference into two separate pages. After figuring it out though, it's not too bad. There are some I couldn't get to work though. As an example, Ctrl+click an object within a group is supposed to select that object. This doesn't work, nor does Command-click. So instead you have to expand the group in World Browser and select the object that way. So there are some problems, but now that I've spent some time figuring things out - my previous comment on it being unusable was unwarranted. It's just not quite as "usable" as it should be. :-) - n8

Notes: - Vue has an option to scale objects on import, which maybe could mess it up. - Shift+nudge will nudge less

Attached Link: http://www.nathany.com/vue4mac_quick_reference.pdf

I have just found that Ctrl+Command+click works for zooming in and out, even though Command+click doesn't work as advertised for much of anything else. I find the combined Mac/Win keyboard controls very confusing - esp. in cases where Ctrl-something is specified, when E-on has used Ctrl-click to be equivalent to the RMB. Through experimentation, I may write up a Mac-specific Quick reference for the keys that work. If I go through all that, I'll be sure to post it up here as a PDF. - n8

I have been sending email to E-on support, but no reply so far - I expect that won't come until after the weekend. The Mac conventions are not a huge deal, though it shouldn't be too hard to add Preferences to the Application menu in addition or instead of File/Options. So far, I'm finding that running in OpenGL with hardware acceleration and the background drawing thread on is the best way to go. May need to turn down the quality settings, as I sometimes get a wait cursor while the background thread redraws things. However, running without OpenGL gets all messed up and sometimes crashing - I sent screen shots to E-on to show what happens. Running without the background draw thread makes the view go white when you click+drag to make a selection. One definite differences between 4.04 PC/Mac and the 4.03 PC demo is that when you change between these options you actually get a Save prompt before exiting. --- The main issues are with the keyboard controls. While the quick-reference card shows Command-click as an alternative to the right mouse button, the help and the program actually use Ctrl-click. It seems that E-on may have had some trouble using Command/Apple, which never does anything in Vue4. While Ctrl-click is often used on Mac for pop-up menus (in addition to Command-click and click-hold), Command-click is the usual alternative to the RMB. You might think that using a real mouse would fix these problems - but it goes deeper. Since a lot of functions use Ctrl, various things don't work. For example Ctrl+RMB modifies the Camera Focal. On Mac Ctrl+LMB does the same. But RMB itself Rotate's the camera - which should be Command+LMB but is actually Ctrl+LMB. Now we have two functions on one key combo - obviously only one works! In some cases there are work arounds - like Space+LMB rotates the camera as well, and there are the camera controls that can be used with the mouse. Somethings though - like nudge doesn't work at all - I assume they also had trouble trapping those arrow keys on Mac. I'm sure they are aware of these issues - and hope they don't decide that what they came up with in the end is really "good enough" but are instead working on a patch that will make the keys work as they should. I haven't gotten nearly as far into the program as "rx" - nor do I own Poser 4. Hopefully this thread will provide some work arounds for other Mac users until E-on gets us a patch. - n8

I'm not surprised about the PZ3 support - the Windows version uses Poser itself to import the files - could be "interesting" for an OS X app to talk to an OS 9 app in this way. I just wish they let people know beforehand - they make it sound like the two versions have the same feature set. As for running without GL - it's worse. I took some screen shots with Grab so send to E-on - about to do that now. The rendering part works okay so far - and it's fairly fast. That's the only good thing. - n8

I wrote to E-on's support address with my list of bugs already. From reading through the forums, wasn't the 4.0 PC release about this buggy too? But now it's been patched up to 4.03 (and actually 4.04 on my CD though I don't know what the changes are). Unfortunately the lack of nudge and some other controls, not to mention the views not redrawing when panned - makes it pretty much unusable on the Mac right now. My last ditch attempt was to run with OpenGL off, which had more redraw problems and caused my first Vue Mac crash! I'm sure they are working on an update already. I hope so :) - n8

So hard to decide... I'll put one down for MightyPete and his vibrant colors. I very much like audity's pic as well. - n8

Okay. I see. Sorry for getting your hopes up Paul.