Thanks for the help guys, coolers example is close to what I need. Time now to take a hunt around the favourites to search for "parlour chair" Tommy.

grymntl....... you have to make your own box prop, just find a web picture of the box and take it into your photo program (I used Adobe photodeluxe2) rotate it level and trim square, then save as a jpeg. In Poser use a square prop size it up and load the saved jpeg as its texture in the render/materials box before rendering. Have fun, Tommy.

Just checked that link, hit downloads at top of page and you will find vers 3 update to 3.01 and the advanced manual. Tommy.

Attached Link: http://www.curiouslabs.com/downloads/indexhtml

The manual is in HELP on the top toolbar with Poser4, not sure about vers 3. I have the Computer Arts disc and could email the PDF but not convinced that would be legal??? CA mag says there is an advanced manual download at ....... www.curiouslabs.com/downloads/indexhtml but I'm sure you will find the PDF users manual under HELP ,make sure you have a recent version of Acrobat reader. Tommy.

Thank you friends !I'm now busy setting up a little office scene. Tommy.

To Nukeboy :- I only have 156meg of ram !!! ,and my swap file limits are not set, this is the default (Let windows manage swap file) However I followed the DAZ tech tip and installed "Cacheman" using 'recover memory' every 10 minutes. Memory can also be recovered manually in a crunch by right clicking the toolbar. The part baffling me is that big renders wont start with a high memory figure? (over 100 meg) and when this happens I lower the figure by opening and closing Outlook and Coreldraw to suck the ram down, technically I would think the more ram the better, but this machine seems very happy to render on an empty tank. The computer lease runs out early next year and I'm already planning its replacement with a 17" monitor priority on top of the wish, list and yes! screw up your faces! I will buy another Hewlett Packard as this baby has never missed a beat in 4 years, just become out-dated. Tommy.

Thanks John, that makes better sense! I have just deleted all the files except texture then re-installed the char or prop, obvously the problem was only a corrupt rsr. Tommy.

My low powered Win 98 machine with 156 meg ram will cope with up to 4 millenium figures in a scene and I've never ever experienced the dreaded cross talk. There used to be some dilemmas running out of grunt during renders but Cacheman memory manager seemed to solve that. Here's the clincher though.... if I recover the memory up high (100 + megs) Poser will not even think about rendering, in plain english the lower the memory (zero or less) the quicker the rendering starts, all I can conclude is that it is using swap file which is set for auto management. I'm sticking to the facts here in the hope that I've said something useful, but yes! do have my share of other problems such as freezing when an object file cant be located. If this happens search for the obj file delete it and reinstall the prop or character, dont try just re-installing over the top as it does not work. Wouldn't it be nice if someone could design a cure-all patch to eliminate all of Posers bugs, sure they'd make a fortune here. Tommy.

Am I seeing things, or was reply #7 a warez link ?

Attached Link: http://www.alberts.com/authorpages/00014898/Prod_714.htm

Dover graphics books had some excellent stuff for that most of mine came from old bookshops and garage sales, search dover books on Yahoo! or Google they are still in business. Dover stuff was essential in the graphic fields before computers, they still print but many of their books now include a CD rom as well and I use a few of these in another field. Otherwise you can create your own with a drawing program, Coreldraw 9 has an extensive range of geometrics in the fill libraries and can export and save as a jpg. Then too remember your photo program will have a turn to B+W command. There are a lot of free and share software for graphics at ZDnet and Cnet worth a look can remember a few fractal creators, I've been playing with Repligator 6 and posted a link here, not exactly what you are looking for but may be interesting and of some use. Anything specific you can email me for further info. Tommy.

Gentlemen, you are as good as "letting the cat out of the bag" by telling the rest of the world where and how to shoplift yours and others goods! Now go down to the local Safeway and post a list of your household appliances, your address and what times you wont be home on their notice board. Can I suggest you delete your posts immediately in order to protect your own interests. I may seem blunt but assure you I care so please go into damage control, before it costs you more. Tommy.

Gentlemen, think about this message, you are as good as "letting the cat out of the bag" by telling the rest of the world where and how to shoplift yours and others goods! Now go down to the local Safeway and post a list of your household appliances, your address and what times you wont be home on their notice board. Can I suggest you delete your posts immediately in order to protect your own interests. I may seem blunt but assure you I care so please go into damage control, before it costs you more.
Tommy.

Gentlemen, think about this message, you are as good as "letting the cat out of the bag" by telling the rest of the world where and how to shoplift yours and others goods! Now go down to the local Safeway and post a list of your household appliances, your address and what times you wont be home on their notice board. Can I suggest you delete your posts immediately in order to protect your own interests. I may seem blunt but assure you I care so please go into damage control, before it costs you more.
Tommy.

Gentlemen, you are as good as "letting the cat out of the bag" by telling the rest of the world where and how to shoplift yours and others goods! Now go down to the local Safeway and post a list of your household appliances, your address and what times you wont be home on their notice board. Can I suggest you delete your posts immediately in order to protect your own interests. I may seem blunt but assure you I care so please go into damage control, before it costs you more. Tommy.

Gentlemen, think about this message, you are as good as "letting the cat out of the bag" by telling the rest of the world where and how to shoplift yours and others goods! Now go down to the local Safeway and post a list of your household appliances, your address and what times you wont be home on their notice board. Can I suggest you delete your posts immediately in order to protect your own interests. I may seem blunt but assure you I care so please go into damage control, before it costs you more.
Tommy.