I thought the missing figures were included in the SR1 service pack? Poser 5 SR1 Figures updater (36.34MB)" http://www.curiouslabs.com/article/archive/84/ Link titled Poser 5 Content CD files Missing content files At least I was under the impression these were the missing parts.

I'm sure I'll be taken to task for this, Oh absolutely I'll take you to task, I'm not sure which tasks I should take you to yet, but I'll figure that out later. :) No, post 14 wasn't much of anything to do with this thread, I agree. Though it called a valid question it belonged elsewhere and shouldn't have been used in response to an interpreted slight (whiners), IM or something perhaps. I agree there have been very few "Hey, it's working now, lookit this" threads and not too many happy ones. There have been some, they're here in this forum from the start of it all but got swamped by "It's not working for me" comments. As "It doesn't work, it's broken" received "It must be you, it's working fine for me" answers. Those aren't what I'm on about. You'll notice that whining and complaining is used quite a bit to describe people who aren't praising Poser 5 or being happy with it - along with "shut up and go away" used in another thread. You may also notice I slipped a word in as well. Drooling. These words "whiners, complainers, droolers" are calculated to get a reaction. I don't care what anyone says regarding their use they are accusations and will usually get a hostile response. Yes this thread drifted off-topic, but nobody was insulting anyone, nobody was arguing, just talking a few things out. except for two people. Most worked around the couple of hot remarks posted and got on with things. Almost no thread here stays on-topic beyond post 10 anyway. LOL There has been a lot of criticism. I agree. Would you like to see the full compiled list of bugs to-date? Grounds for complaint I think - perhaps not grounds for the extremely hostile complaints that have happened and some of the imagery that accompanied it but as you well know people do get passionate. If Poser 5 is fixed properly people will get just as passionate in a couple of months about how good it is - same as they did with Vickie etc. "Damn she's ugly. insert invectives and list of complaints" Now? It's no different. There's another "happy with Poser 5" thread been started. I've not seen any arguing in that one yet either. So, yes I do feel you were unfair to the people in this thread who did contribute and didn't use provocative words. Sbertram started in with his "I can't believe the amount of whining going on around here" yet didn't qualify it until later. Cyberstretch may have been wrong with post 14 but as one of the voices at the forefront of questions and complaints against CL/Poser he may have felt a need to lash back. I don't know and I'm not going to pretend to know. I don't think that his post warranted the comment it received in return, quoted in post 24. Whatever though. You've seen topics here and elsewhere go wildly off-topic after a while and then swing back again. This one started to degenerate into "you suck" "no you suck" but it didn't need to and most of the contributors carried on chattering. sbertram had some valid points in his post, he spoiled it with "whiners". I have seen a lot of "whining" around here, from both camps, and some very heartfelt posts as well that were invariably buried by some hot head with a bug up his butt. It doesn't need to be like that - you know that, I know that. Generalisations are invariably the cause of most arguments. Especially in heated times like these people should be just a little more cautious of how they write what they write or they are going to get someone snapping back. We can still all get along together anyway. I mean, we ARE adults, right? Well we can all get along yes. You and I have had disagreements in the past and I like to think we're still net-buddies, we've not AFAIK torn into each other about anything. However, I disagree with the adults part. Look around the forum. Can some of these people be called adults? Either camp - pro or upset/anti - take your pick. Some of them are worse than 13 year old hopheads jumped up on their own hormones. Some aren't. It's the "aren't" that will eventually win the day and return to rationality. The hot-heads will fade, leave in a snit, or just go quiet except for the occassional eruption. Just like it's always been. Remember the "warez amnesty"? How that erupted across the forum in two camps? The "body-suit" fiasco? Release of Victoria then Mike? Pro-Pack? Avatar Lab? It's a cycle. It happens, people get passionate about it and blow off steam. Then the dust settles and sensible discussion and rational argument takes place until the next time. It's always the same. One last thing though. No, I don't qualify myself as an adult. I'm just as guilty of acting like a ferret on crack. But then, I've never hidden the fact that I prefer to act my shoe size rather than my physical age. :)

Fair comment is perfectly popular provided fair criticism is also allowed. So far it's been a few shouting at others on either side. There's nothing wrong with praising Poser 5 provided that praising isn't used as a bludgeon against those who have had problems and are having problems and isn't used as a denial to hide an awesome amount of bugs. Same that criticism shouldn't be used as a bludgeon to beat down people who are trying to look on the positive side of things. So far though, most praise has included a slam against everyone who isn't drooling. Orio's comment was the first of it's kind that didn't accuse people of being whiners and complainers, that was left until later in the thread. Sorry Mac, but I expected slightly more from you than generalisations. Nobody is putting down people who have a fun time or want to post something positive, but neither will other people ignore direct insults, abuse or inuendo. As with everything, you get good and you get bad, while they're both rational it works, it's the hysterical few who have a burning brand up their butt who make arguments. :) You may notice that there's been no effort from most contributors to this thread to cause trouble, not until Sbertram felt it was ok accuse everyone having problems of whining (post 6) - and even then most people ignored it, again it was sbertram who took it into the gutter with his colourful phrasing to Cyberstretch (now deleted). So, don't you think, Mac, that you've been a little unfair on the other, rational, non arguing, non accusatory, gutter free contributors to this thread? Most of whom have not been attacked by anyone for saying they're happy and having fun?

Whomever wants to play is welcome, I have no problem with that. Just not until I have what I need.

Of course it did Ironbear and you're welcome to laugh. I'll deal with you later also. :) However it's been brought to my attention that I'm being used as a patsy here. Someone is playing rather silly little games and I can't say I'm too impressed. If what I suspect and have been told turns out to be true, then there is going to be hell to pay. I don't mind helping people with genuine questions and I'll often go out of my way to help people if I can. However, I don't appreciate being conned into helping someone mislead others for a bit of free advertising. I much prefer things be done openly and honestly and not by screwing people over for a cheap laugh. There are limits. I have no solid proof at this moment in time to back up my suspicions. Yet. God help them if this is who I think it is. I don't mind supporting Steve Shanks and/or helping to promote Poserworld because it really IS one of the best deals around, with great content and lots of it. same as I don't mind promoting anyone else that I think creates good work. But I'm damned if I'll play patsy to a carny shill who doesn't have the guts to be open. Anyway, I can't really say much more until I have proof. Then... well, then it'll be my turn to play.

Its really very simple and if it is presented otherwise from their current legal counsel then they are getting very poor advice and representation. I assume you're a lawyer then Lapis, as you're speaking so knowledgeably. Well, that being the case and you say it's simple then I suppose it must be. What a shame it never occurred to Steve Cooper and co to say so before now when PoserPros exploded into a 61 page thread on the subject or to offer discussion back then. I hope you're right, past events and legal dogma dictate that it's not that easy though. We'll see, and hope.

That's good news Albertofly, because it can be quite frustrating to make textures sometimes. Cyberstretch.... I'll deal with you later. After you've finished laughing. sigh and I was just getting used to that title too. :)

To rewrite the EULA will cost 10,000 dollars according to Larry Weinberg. Is there really much chance of them spending ten grand to rewrite a document they have full confidence in? That's a considerable chunk of change for a company that needs the money it's started earning again. Not trying to be argumentative, just warning not to get your hopes too high. Daz and Curious Labs no doubt will talk, but they're both stubborn and protective of their own interests. It's not just a phone call and stroke of a pen. It's a legally based discussion and 10 thousand dollars. Daz have their concerns with the EULA as have a lot of vendors. Curious Labs have a vested interest in protecting their investment and their software in case they're dragged into court again. That's not something that will be sorted out easily. I doubt that one phone call on Monday morning will do it. I'd hesitated to say a week of discussion could do it. We'll see, but I'm nervous that people will get too excited over something that might not happen because of prohibitive expenses and legal requirements.

Victoria 2 is much better than the P4 woman, with multipart eyes offering an outer layer, eyeball, iris and pupil - the iris and pupil have morphs for different eyes. The mesh is better, there is an awesome amount of morphs built into the head and body and she comes with a P4 compatible version that can wear old p4 clothing. I'd recommend it, but with the caveat that poser can choke on Vickie 2 because of the amount of morphs built into it. You need a fairly reasonable computer to deal with that model.

Great, I hope you have fun. Just don't give up. Things might not work the way you expect to start with but don't let that discourage you. :)

Basically, yes. But very basically. Try it and render the result in Poser, you'll see what it looks like. It's better to scale the image you are going to use and then to work that into the template, working on the shapes and different items to get the look you want. A lot of detail can be added to the template that doesn't exist on the model. If you have downloaded some of the things from Poserworld, take a look at the texture's Rena has done for the clothing and you'll get an idea what needs to be done. It'll take a bit of practice because UVMaps can cause stretching but it can be done. Have fun. :)

Yes, the Poserworld forum would be ok. You might be able to get some help from Rena and Vikki as well, Rena made all the textures at Poserworld and Vikki is about to take over doing that. I'm sure they'd be happy to give you some help as well.

I can't see it or get past it, haven't been able to since they put it up. I didn't worry about it after I found I could still get to the store via the freebies page, which I have a seperate bookmark for, but I was somewhat miffed to start with. Sorry not able to help you any more than that, but you're not alone. :)

Glad you found some stuff there that you liked, I'm sure Steve and co will be very pleased by that. Most of the clothes and characters that you can download or purchase around the various sites should come with a UV Template - this is a squarish image covered with black lines like a web or network that resemble the shape of the model they're for That's the thing you need to make textures. Open the template in a graphics editor (Corel Photo Paint, Paint Shop Pro, Photoshop or similar), and you'll see that the basic shapes of the clothing or character will be laid out flat. If you use a program that supports layers, create a new layer, and you can start painting onto that template (using a layer means you can delete the work and save the file without destroying the template) You can then copy and past the textures you've downloaded onto that layer over the lines. But that won't look to good. It's work, it's a lot of fiddling but with care you can get some very nice finishes. It's difficult to explain in simple stages here, but I'd be happy to share what I know over email where we can chat a bit more quickly and easily. Also, check out the UV texturing forum at Runtim DNA http://host1.bondware.com/~syydr/ And the texture related forum at PoserPros which I'm told contains some very good tutorials on this. http://www.poserpros.com You'll need to register on those sites but they won't cost you any money (except with tempting things in the store) Hope that helps a little

Yep, I'd agree with you Terry, you are responding with your perfectly legitimate comments, what I was concerned about was not so much the comments themselves but the cut/paste in several threads of the "same" comments, hence why I thought it worth mentioning. Wierd things have been happening lately and well... better safe than sorry I guess. :) Thanks for the link Dialyn, I couldn't load that forum to grab it, for some reason.