Lucifer_the_Dark is correct. I too remember some of those witch hunts that SA conducted.

hborre is also correct in that SA has pursued legal actions against many, though they were the party that were found to be in error.

Wolf359 is correct in that there are a lot of SA haters out there but he doesn't seem to have a solid clue as to why. SA has a very bad reputation for a reason.

I have never seen this in P7 either and I work extensively with P7.

Yeh, this one plagues me a lot. I work around it but I wish I didn't have to. While speaking of bugs... I had a model in a scene that Poser 8 wouldn't render. Every attempt resulted in FFRender crashing. After finding that it was this model it seemed silly to me that it would be the so, that being the Stinger from Vbarrito at Daz.

So, I finally went to my systems temp folder and deleted everything in it including the Poser temp folder there. The only thing that didn't delete was the render cache folder. After doing this, I had no more problems with rendering that model in Poser 8. I hope this helps.

Was this thread started in the correct forum? Poser was hardly ever mentioned. I don't mind a tech thread in the poser forums but this thread caused exactly what I would have expected to occur. The constant back and forth over Macs and PCs. I think the OP of this thread started it as a prank to get the Mac and PC people arguing. The most astonishing thing to me is that it worked... again. No one is going to win this argument so, why argue?

We are ARTISTS! This arguing over tech is silly. If a PC is placed in front of a diehard Mac user here, that person will still render art and vice versa. WE are about talent and imagination, the tech is just a tool. The tech is not the argument because we can do what we do regardless of the damn tools available. That is what separates us from the rest of society. We create art when others cannot. Leave the fanboy blather to the Xbox/PS3 crowd and let's not argue like them. What ends up in your gallery is based on your talent not the computer you use.

I know that someone is going to attempt to argue with me now but I will not. This will be my only post and I will not return to this thread. I just posted here to remind you all of what you are, Artists. In the end that is what you contribute to the world. So, if I am wrong and this is really a tech thread then move it to a tech forum. I was under the impression that this forum was for Poser artists.

Well put. Every point a solid truth. I bought Poser 8 for the speed. For me, rendering power and speed is everything. Before, It was a procedure of create in Poser and export to Carrara. I don't have to do that any longer. I can crank out my projects much faster now, even when Poser 8 screws something up and I have to fix the issue, the project time spent is still much quicker than before. My only issue with Poser 8 is the unrendered bucket artifact bug that occurs randomly during the animation process. However, it is easy to clean up post render.

Also, if you go in to the Market Place here you will see that the requirements listed for Poser items are usually Poser 5 and up. So I don't understand what unavailability Mugsey is speaking of. If you are using Poser 6 you are only being deprived of the Poser 8 core items.

OK, firstly if you could separate your post in to paragraphs next time that would be nice. I have been here for a long time. Though it states that I have been a member since 2000, I have actually been here much longer and had to create a new account. I disagree with you on the whole community issue, at least as it concerns R'osity. I think, if you go over to Daz's forums you'll see that they are a community as well. People talking about the pertinent issues with each other and together attempting to resolve said issues, how is that not community?

Another thing, These companies are going to move forward no matter what. Nobody is going to support Poser 6 forever. The business market fluctuates like a nightmare, anyway. CG is a business, it will leave you in the dust, eventually. These people at Smith Micro had new ideas and they intended on implementing them. they did this before any point of sale. Poser 8 was going to happen. They weren't just going to make it and then sit on it. They, like any other business, are going to push it, and push it even to the point of pushing it down our throats because if they don't they lose money. Poser 8 was going to happen and become the priority over all other versions.

Now, I do agree with you on several points. The free items used to be better because I think that designers wanted to show others what they could do. Now it seems that the free stuff sections is for the people that have discovered the wonder of Photoshop. I mean, how many texture packs can be made before someone is duplicating another's work. There are those who are creating very nice stuff like 3-D-C and his sci fi corridor kits. But, how many sexy Vicky poses can you possibly have. There are hardly any poses for mike4 and of those for Vicky4, there almost all seductive. It doesn't speak well of Renderosity to have this V4 fetishism occurring. The market is flooded with this sort of thing while other, more interesting concepts are being ignored.

Now the other side of this argument is that sex sells. the problem is that a lot of the people who have argued that to ME in the past haven't tried to sell anything else but sex, so how would they even know what sells. There is some phenomenal talent out there being wasted on sex poses and corsetry. So, is the creativity in the community stalled? I think so. However, as long as it is a community there is a chance that things will change for the better. With all of this said, Smith Micro and Poser 8 has nothing to do with the absence of community. If the community here has been affected, then it is a reality that only we can be held accountable for. We are the community and it seems that, though difficulties sometimes occur, we are still speaking to one another. Let's just all try to do it with a little common respect.

Well, that's it for me. Now that this has been resolved by the Admin, I see no reason for me to remain. Have a good evening everyone :)  I'm off to get some sea food! YUM!

Oh, Miss Nancy, you're probably one of the most pleasant people on this site and you are always helpful :)

No, it's not about a product but the references of someone being unbalanced or emotionally unstable. Those words are defamatory whether the person is being named or referred to within the context of direct rebuttal.

Now you're attacking people who haven't even bothered you yet.

You need to stop before you get banned. I know people moan on and on about this topic but you are only making this worse for you. If you get thrown off R'osity, the people you don't like will still be here, moaning on and on. There is nothing you can say or do that is going to change this so don't go off and damage yourself.

stepson, I just reported you. You're trolling now. You cannot call anyone emotionally unstable here or anywhere without evidential proof. By saying this you have not only violated the TOS here but you have violated the law. The original poster now has the ability to sue you for Defamation of Character. Really man, is it really worth it? You're playing stupid kid games that will get you in serious, adult trouble.

 oh, you jus can't help but step over the line, can you? OK. Lets get JenX involved now. LostinSpaceman tried to warn you but you just couldn't listen, could you.

Hey, stepson, you're looking like the one with the agenda here. If some people are having problems with Poser 8, a hundred people having no problems doesn't negate the opinions of those who are. Even Bagginbill has stated that the program has glitches. Is he wrong? Someone saying that they are ped off about poser 8 isn't a personal attack on you so give it a rest why don't you.***
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You can disagree with the OP without accusing the guy of having an agenda. Does he work for Daz? Do you know? Maybe he is just trying to destroy Smith Micro for his own sinister reasons. Or, maybe he's just upset that he spent his money on something that isn't working for him very well and he just wants to vent here where he has friends. Even I can't understand why he could have so many singular issues with Poser 8 but... agenda? Are you kidding? This isn't health care reform on Capital Hill, Town Hall squabbles, Fox News or MSNBC. It's just Poser, nothing more. So, lighten up.******

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Yes, I clicked the 'continue" button. That's how I get the 'cookie's' statement. I click it and it reloads, telling me that I need to have cookies enabled to enter the site. I downloaded Firefox as TrekkieGrrrl said and I got on. So, for now anyway, the problem is solved.