Actually, I figured out how to make one in Photoshop, but thank you all anyway :) Plz disregard the transmission, but I honestly didn't know I could do it!

Kudos to you, Nick, for taking a seemingly impossible situation and coming up with a viable solution. Thanks for your hard work and caring. Mindy

Hey Satanimus, Your handle doesn't suit you. You seem like a good guy to me. ;)

Nick,

Sorry you are having such angst with this. I run a very busy discussion board with heavy political overtones, so I can emphathize. You wouldn't believe how mild these threads are next to some of the stuff I see every day on other forums.

Sometimes it seems as if no matter what you do and how hard you work, it's never enough and somebody is unhappy. That's the nature of discussion communities. I wish there was a magic formula....for you, me, and anyone else who does this thankless job.

I think it is human nature to fight against limitations, and I believe artists are especially touchy about being thwarted in this regard, and having someone else categorize and label something they've created. It's understandable.

I do wish you luck with this issue, and a speedy conclusion.

Mindy

1Thunder, that was so well-said. Elegantly simple and powerful. I really enjoyed your post. In fact, I have really enjoyed the simple profundity of every post in this thread.

Deagol, I doubt if anyone who disagrees with you "hates" you. :) I certainly don't. :) I am sorry you feel attacked by "verbal violence", but people are passionate about having their artistic freedoms thwarted; I am sure it was more directed at the rule than it was you. Wanna see some nasty posting? I can post some URLS that would curl your hair. ;) We're a bunch of cupcakes next to most forums. :) I hope you feel better about this whole thing. You're so talented and everyone enjoys your work, and you enjoy creating it. That's the bottom line, isn't it?

M

I do not support the fractal guidelines because they impose arbitrary, subjective limitations on creativity. There is no way this rule can enhance any gallery or artistic impulse. I do not see any upside to it, other than limiting the concept of fractal and digital art; artforms that struggle for legitmacy do not need any more limitations placed upon it. The bigger the umbrella, the better for everyone.

"Flat earthers" was rather mild, aeries. You should see me when I'm really upset about something. If that's vicious insult, then I hope you never get into politics. :)

I am very pleased you found my comments scathing. I haven't lost my touch.

If you sit on your pedestal and judge what is worthy and not for a gallery depending upon one's own twisted concept of artistic "purity", "flat earthers" fits quite nicely. Which is undoubtedly why you're torked. :)

Who are you, anyway? I am sure I would have missed you had I noticed your absence. :)

That's an easy one, Deagol. Ask Terry Wright if he felt welcome by posting his art in the fractal gallery. In fact, he felt so unwelcome (he was urged to post his work in 2D instead) that he took a six-month haitus. Terry is a wonderful artist who uses fractals as a jumping off point, as I do, and sometimes the fractal isn't evident as these rules would like it to be. Terry was only recently told his fractal-based digital art was welcome in the fractal gallery. The point is very simple, so simple, it's almost beautiful. Let the artist decide where his/her image belongs. Is that so hard? Is that so threatening? Since you put out a challenge, I have one for you: I challenge you to illustrate how such subjective, absurd rule enhances an art gallery instead of stifling it. Mindy

Hello Nick,

You are not limiting creativity by categorizing. Not until the moment when you ask an artist to remove an image that the artist deems as appropriate for a certain category; when you do, it is then that you are engaging in disrupting a subjective decision process. This is a process that should be left solely up to the artist. That is the crux of the argument. Who gets to deem what is appropriate, and what is not? Why is a Poser figure less desirable than one of my pieces, when the Poser has sixty percent fractal in it and mine five percent? Not only is that unfair, it's illogical and goes against your very own rules.

I don't like Poser either, Nick. I think very few Poser users have a modicum of talent. I have seen a few, who truly do know how to use the program and they have blown me away. However, what we think does not matter. To disqualify their work because they have melded fractal and Poser is patently unfair, and is artistic tyranny.

Let people put their images where they deem appropriate. If there is no fractal in an image, by all means, remove it. But if someone uses a fractal in a different or interesting way, it should remain and should not be told it needs to be removed.

This rule is absurd, unfair, it cannot possibly be objective and the only people who benefit from it are a group of flat-earthers who believe any postwork on fractal is akin to satanic worship. Everyone else embraces all kinds of fractal art with open arms...whether it's good art, bad art, or has a Poser babe in it. Please don't enforce this rule. It's a bad one.

Mindy

Hey Ween, You're even a better politician than I am! eg I was kinda wondering the same thing. :)

I couldn't get past the arrogance, churlishness and ALL CAPITAL LETTERS to read it.

Andreas wrote: "Is it still an image for the fractal gallery?" It is still an image for a Fractal ART Gallery, yes, Andreas, it most certainly is. Terry belongs here. You belong here. I belong here. If anybody feels differently, it is most certainly their loss.

Harmen wrote: "the focus of a design is made by the artist, not by the viewer... the viewer may see something different in each work of art, thats their freedom" I believe you are missing the point. If the moderators think an image doesn't belong in the fractal section, the artist will be asked to remove it. That is the crux of the matter, and it is an unfortunate one. So even though the viewer may see something different in each work of art---and you are totally correct here---by allowing someone else other than the artist who created it to categorize their own work is a slipperly slope and a wholly unnecessary one.

Hi Deagol, It's a sad day for this community in particular and art in general. I am very much for a democratic society, but in this case majority rule made everyone a loser. :( Someone in this thread made a very salient point: we all want fractal art to gain legitimacy, and this is almost like ghettoizing it. Digital art itself has a long road to hoe, since there are just as many "purists" who think if you don't put brush to paper you're Satan's child and not a "true artist." This is just more of the same flat-earther thinking. I am very sorry to see it. But I must admit to being amused that my work is welcome, because it is in such flagrant violation of this rule. :)