As far as i can tell, it has only happened so far with two or more michael 4's. I haven't used two V4's in the same scene since the 3.1 update, but if i had to take a wild guess, it also probably happens with her. Maybe someone else can confirm that. I've seen no issue with the horde werewolf, sanctums alpha phenotype models, daz troll, and daz gorilla so far.

Ghostofmacbeth: Thanks for looking into this man. It's not your fault. After consulting with various other poser artists and my own testing, it appears there's a bug in Poser Pro 2012 SR3.1 that is causing Michael 4 to lose morphs when another michael 4 or any part of another michael 4 (i.e. the head) is loaded into the scene. I'm gonna make a new forum post about this to see what other people's experiences with this are. Take a look at it if ya want, where i will share all the info.

hborre: Yeah, right now what i'm doing is completeing my war orc character, then saving him with nothing else in the scene. This way my figure is saved in case something goes wrong. Then when i'm ready to use him, i just add the other characters i'm gonna use. I save that new scene with the extra characters as usual, and if i ever have to use it again after rendering, i just re-inject the warorcs head.

Another weird thing is that when i undid the warorc head injection, he still kept the war orc head X.X This is definitely an issue with SR3.1, because i used the war orc a lot before that and never had any problems.

Ghostofmacbeth: Thanks! Whatever is causing this only affects your war orc character. I also have your "creatures: goblin hero" and "creatures: war hero", and those don't have any problems as far as i can tell. It also only affects the head morph. The body morph of war orc remains after a save.

Hmm, it worked on a fresh load of M4, but on the scene i was already working on, i still lose the morphs on the war orc head after memorizing and saving :X Is my only option right now simply re-apply the war-orc head morph?

Ahh, yeah that makes sense. But what's weird is that it didn't happen pre-SR3.1. I'm guessing it's the scaling fix they included that caused some of these other minor problems. I'm just gonna memorize then to make sure the morphs stay in place. Thanks for the help =)

hborre: Oh nice. Were you able to re-produce the same problem?

I guess nobody else has this problem X.X

Got home and did a little more testing.

The good news about this is that i checked the head morphs, and all the morphs and settings for morphs++ aren't actually lost, they all are still set. It seems like i'm only losing the injection morph of the head for some reason. When i re-apply the head morph, it goes back to normal.

So ummm....anyone got any clue to why this is happening? I'm gonna just assume it's a bug in poser pro SR3.1, kinda like the freak 4 shoulders bug.

*Extra note - This happens whether or not "external binary morph targets" is checked in the general preferences.

Ok, after some testing, i found out it's another very weird problem. I started another thread because it has absolutely nothing to do with textures.

Thanks for the info guys. But yeah i have had a few cases where pmds were indeed a bit buggy. I opened one of my older scenes that i saved a few months back, only to find out my characters eyes popping out. I guess it had to do with the SR3.1 update somehow.

Hioushi: Yah, something weird is going on there. I think it's intentional, but i wish poser would at least give a warning sign or something.

WandW: I'm not sure if it happens with only default names, like Michael, Ryan, Alyson, and what not, or if it happens if there's a duplicate name that the users made up. It's sneaky too, because the morphs will show up when you load the character, but if you save the scene and open it up in a different file, all your hard work and morphs are gone :(

Gremalkyn: Not really sure. For me it's no biggie since i never use the default ryan, but maybe someone out there can test this out =P

Are you f******g kidding me? The reason morphs wouldn't save was because i named the character Ryan, and since i guess in the other library there's a default character named Ryan, some conflict was causing the morphs to not load. I renamed him Ryan2 and now his morphs load after you save a file.

God i hate poser sometimes.

I think the only way i'm gonna figure this out is if someone tests this for me.

Load up a brand new scene and delete the skeleton.

Load a character you made from the "Figures" library.

Save as the scene into a pz3 file.

Does it save both a pz3 and pmd file, or only a pz3 file?