So what does this tell us?

Well, the aftermarket products are nice that is for sure :)

But I'm still not buying into it, if you will forgive the pun. All of the beautiful second skins, skin textures, architecture and morphs are simply not going to hide the fact that the mesh still needs work.

I hope that they make the appropriate changes, the uv mapping is a freaking nightmare, the resources that are going to be used or have to be used are not for the faint of heart, simply because of the uvmapping.

Even though they have been working on it for "months" as we have been told, it's still seems like a rush job to me.

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artistheat, I can see some major problems in your render of her....the crease above her breasts into her chest wall are not natural at all...the creasing of her right arm in a position where there shouldn't be any creasing. The point is, why bring out a new model that has the same problems and even some new ones that we already have with the mil people? This model should be BETTER...I see no inovations here. New models should be different, innovative, an improvement of what we already have, this one isn't. I have the base model and there is no way I'm going to spend one cent on any products, let alone spend money on morphs that you need to even make her different. A bikini and a model and expressions does not make for a good model when that's 29.95 to begin with. Let's do the math: Base model- $29.95..you get the model, expressions, bikini. I don't count the templates as those should be free anyway. Morph Pack-$24.95- In this pack you get all of the morphs so you can actually start using the character....still no texture. Texture set- $19.95 Finally, some textures to go with the model. Total of $74.85 ($75.00) to get her to the place you can do renders with her. OR You can buy the whole pack for $54.95...but you have to wait until you get the CD. Plus the money for shipping and handling which is 3.50...total of $58.45 (60.00) Personally, I think she looks a LOT like Vicki. She shouldn't have been released yet, she has far too many problems. I can't even evaluate it as a merchant, I don't have the whole character. I can't tell if the morphs will make the known problems better or worse...and I'm not going to spend money to find out. She simply is not different enough to justify spending money on her. Totally my own opinion, your own mileage may vary :)

Well, if that is what happens, then so be it :) About darn time ;) He's a sweet, wonderful man, yes he is, who has put his heart into this community for a long, long time ;) Well deserved I say!! Deb

I wasn't complaining :) I was just really wondering since it doesn't say on Phil's site. I don't normally use paypal except at Poser Pros and their downloads are instant ;) Phil, thank you :) I can't wait to try this out!!

Good :) At least that way when I do it too, I'll know who to ask :)

I don't know Marque, I'm not even going to install mine until I get my key :)

Oh I have no doubt he is at least that busy Marque :) Phil, got my download, you were up WAY earlier then I was LOL!! Now just waiting for the key :) I can't wait to experiment ;) Like Kam, I have some P4 female armour that I'm wanting to convert badly :)

Thanks Helen ;) I just decided I better get it purchased before the sale went off, I imagine Phil had closed for the night ;)

speaking of purchasing....does anyone happen to know if you pay by PayPal how long you have to wait for a download??

Oh jay, that is AWESOME!!!

I would say Apollo also. I have both. Apollo is different in that there is so much more you can do with him scaling wise, and morph wise. You can bulk him up or trim him down whatever you want. One of the things that I like about him is that in his "body fit" morph he actually has the "V" shape that is a reality for fit body types. If you can only get one, then Apollo...but definately get David also, he is unique also :)

Ahhhh.....I'm not an animator so I couldn't say how that would effect them in this case, I'm sure there is one around that might know the answer to that. You didn't say you were asking about animations, you just said that it never had worked for you well :)

The ADS Scaling poses work great. You apply them to Apollo, then apply them to the clothing. Works fine :) Let me see if I can run something up for you really quick...hang on :)

I can do that for you wolf, just give me a few. Hopefully this thread won't get moved.