Torquinox posted at 11:33 AM Mon, 22 July 2024 - #4487547

Anyway, the unknown part of the EL license is, what's enforcement mechanism? Is Daz or another site going to lawyer up and come after a customer for selling pictures made with EL items? That would be interesting! Daz reps will not discuss that topic. Imagine that! And the related truth is, all the products of all the sites are available for (often free) download from sites that are beyond the legal reach of any US company. Piracy, plain words. I am a merciless bargain hunter, but I don't steal content. Yet, I know these places exist and I know of the limitation because I have accidentally found such sites, dutifully reported them, and been told the pirates are beyond reach.

OK I'm done now. Just had to get all that off my chest.

BINGO!
Just clarify! That was all we were asking.
As a consumer, we have that right!
Because I bet 10 to 1 if I went and made a site that was a straight rip of Daz, down to the logo they would hop up legally!

That and the bloody support tickets!
When an item has been complained about and filed since 2018...and NOT fixed..that is an issue a consumer has a right to complain about!
When I have outstanding support issues for just about a -year-...that is a valid complaint.
I cant use the items, I cant get my money back...makes for a valid complaint.

But what happens? You get your threads removed, you get warned, etc.

Here is the novel idea...
Just...answer the questions and the “issue” (not really an issue is it?) goes away.

Hiding? Deleting forums? Makes it look like they are guilty as heck!

RedPhantom posted at 7:07 AM Mon, 22 July 2024 - #4487540

While I can see them not wanting a bunch of questions about the legality of their products posted in their forums, if it were licensed you would expect them to post that in the description. If someone were to report to Disney, I imagine there could be some trouble at least for not crediting them.

The issue was that the items were not “similar” but -exact- copies. They used the fonts for the genre/companies, they used trademarked names etc.
All we were asking was, "Hey, are you working -with- the companies or....?"

But no one ever got an answer. Then the star trek stuff vanished.
As I know things like the Tolkien stuff is -very- tightly regulated(and daz does not show up on their site as allowed vendors, nor does the daz parent company) it was something that should be asked.
The same for the Star Wars stuff. You need to be licensed to sell items that are associated with them. But again, no listing for daz or its parent company on that list.
If I am spending my money, I have a right to go "hey, is...this actually supporting the people that actually created it?"
I dont want to spend my money to then find out, it was useless.

Never mind I already ended up in a bother as I bought this armour(its nice too). No mention of any association with a game.
Used it a few times till someone asked "Oh is that a crysis fan piece"

Left me abit speechless. I was not familiar with the game. The moment I peeked at it, it is an almost straight rip of the game.

THAT is one of the biggest issues.
People being blind sided. Just post if it is in “partnership with” and guess what? No one is going to question it

gohanf22 posted at 11:24 AM Sun, 21 July 2024 - #4487525

DAZ Moderators are now even closing threads now.  I posted a thread about when Gen 9 to Gen 8 Conversion tool is coming cause I WILL NOT support Degeneracy ever.  That model is a clear pandering tactic.  I can't wait till i really start learning Blender/Lightwave/Zbrush cause I will leave DAZ and let it just sink...

Tired of this bs...

Yes they do!
There was one about the legality of the “fan” products and the ED licence.  People were getting removed left, right, and centre. Then after they released a whole swarm of plain ole rip-offs, they finally (I think it got to 18 pages) Just removed the entire thread.

Many of us just wanted to know if the complete copies were actually working with the companies that own them, or if they were just plain ole rip-offs. That was it! Just “hey is it legal for you to do this” (particularly with Star Wars, Star Trek, Project red/cyberpunk/edge runner, etc) I suggested that “Perhaps they can say “made in conjunction with/in partnership with” so customers know it is ok to purchase(as they have had to remove things in the past)
And did they answer? NOPE. Did they penalize customers asking? YES, and removed/warned them for “insinuating daz had done something wrong” and then they just removed the thread all together.

ronaldknights posted at 12:51 PM Fri, 19 July 2024 - #4487497

I really felt good about DAZ, maybe 20 years ago. But in the decades since, it's just been a regular nightmare.

I can't find stuff because DAZ insists on creating its own insane way of handling the alphabet. When I buy a shirt, I don't want to look under the PA's name to find it. I never remember a PAs name.

As for "real world" clothing for males or females: I was delighted when I discovered Genesis 8. There were all sorts of fantastic "mature" male & female characters, and clothes to go with them.

That must have been a fluke, because Genesis 9 is sorely lacking.

 

I have to say that is true. Both the search function(its a nightmare and its no better in the program)
And Its true that there are some nice mature male figures/clothing for gen 8.
But Gen9? It takes more work to make gen9 look decent than it does working with gen3 or 8.

Timberoo posted at 2:45 PM Wed, 22 November 2023 - #4478052

ronaldknights posted at 5:48 PM Mon, 23 October 2023 - #4476711

I'm disappointed that there are very few male clothes for Genesis 9. I don't want pirates, etc. I don't do female pinups either. DAZ made a big claim that Genesis 9 males could wear female clothes. I posted that this wasn't realistic. They deleted my post.

The marketing of Genesis 9 as unisex is wishful thinking. The reality is that vast majority of content for the figure is what I would consider to be traditionally female clothes. Lots of high heels, blouses, skirts, lingerie and the like. When something is modeled after a men's garment it usually is lacking the details, like a collar band on a men's woven collared button up shirt.

Genesis 9, whether by intent or without realizing it, is optimized for the Daz3D volume customers - people who render women with breasts. The mesh has baked in cleavage between and under the breasts that I haven't seen anyone ZBrush away. 

It makes sense that their largest customer base would be their main focus, but they really don't like anyone saying that in the forums. 

Gen9 is a pain. I have just about every morph package/correction package, and the under arms particularly are a pain.
I have yet to use it in a single render.

Also, the lack of realistic items is getting annoying. We all know about the "Naked vicki in a temple" Trope....but we are now in 2024 and it's not all breasts and latex now.
Trying to find realistic military gear for a female is a joke. Trying to find a fantasy outfit that doesn't have her running in high heels is like finding a needle in a haystack. (Trust me when I say, you are -not- going to run over cobblestone streets in stilettos. I live in Scotland, and cobblestones are the death of high heels)
I love the female form, but there is a time when you dont want her breast on display and her looking like a pin-up.
And I also have to agree with the lack of sufficient male items.

I have lost all hope in the DAZ support and definitely in the forums.
I have at least 3 support tickets now open since last July.
One was a fairly important one about a vdb product(the entire render came out great, except the VDB which looked like it was in minecraft! And to this day, I can't get it to work. No matter how ramped up the settings are or what settings I use. It comes out horrifically pixelated as it it was an 8 bit graphic). Another was about a set of eyes…that after posting in technical, found out the issue has been reported since 2018, and they do not fix it nor reply to support.
As for the forums? I made the very sad mistake of making a post(and yes I have the screenshot) of saying (in regard to IP rights and fan products) "Some companies will go after you, some wont."
I mentioned it tends to be based on how close visually an item was.
(seriously, the post was about 3 lines. Not even a paragraph)
This got my post removed and a warning. (I kid you not). I then tried to post again, to get a warning that my posts were being moderated. I wrote to the admins as I went through the TOS and -nothing- was in there about this kind of post. To be told, "Its not explicitly in the TOS, but its the moderators feeling that it was inappropriate"
So basically, even if something is not against ToS, they can just remove it and warn you. Leaving customers not even knowing what is and isn't allowed to be said.
Needless to say, I stopped posting to their gallery and have seriously cut down what I purchase. I purchase items that I can not find on other sights now. But due to some of their issues with pricing, discounts, and replies from the forums...I have given it a skip on purchasing some items. Which, I know, hurts the artist more than the site. Which I dont like to do but...

arifzhafir posted at 12:32 PM Fri, 12 July 2024 - #4487324

Tasha 8 (pale version) may be too pallid for your brief.

Saiyaness made Tarni and Ceridwen.

I think  Ceridwen may do it. I also like her options but again, the skin has a clay light look. I will have to try and work with the settings. But she looks good. I also like her face shape.
Thank you for that suggestion!

hborre posted at 7:38 PM Wed, 10 July 2024 - #4487283

Subsurface Scatter will determine the translucent appearance that you are trying to achieve.  The measurable distance should be increased, but too high a value will increase the luminance of the skin texture, making it appear unrealistically waxy.  Transmittance color and SSS color will need to be adjusted as well.

Aye. I have worked with it to try and get that particular translucence that pale skin has. Think of the peaches and cream, ginger-red head tone.
not a "painted vampire" skin. Not a "geisha white make up" skin. But that look of pale human flesh.

The one that has a faint, often blotchiness to it. A subtle luminance.

Nevertrumper posted at 5:49 AM Thu, 11 July 2024 - #4487297

Sadly any skin shader for DAZ Studio is way too dark.
Go download "Venitian Sunrise HDRI" from the Poly Haven website for free and use it as a reference.
You can see a lot of people in the background in it. Set all render settings to default and adjust your skin shader to match those people's skin color.

Exactly.
They change the skin tone by using SSS settings or ramping up the gamma or just washing it out by lightening a darker texture.
That doesnt work.
Never mind so many of the Daz textures are so red!
(always have to go in and change those colours in the surface tab so they dont all look like they have some sort of sunburn)

Most merchant resources are just standard mid-range "beige" (as in the make up colour) and not actually taken from a pale skin model.

rto3d posted at 11:20 PM Tue, 9 July 2024 - #4487228

go with Elanor (CCrow) and settings in case this is what you are looking for:

I should have stated(its my fault for not doing so) Its for gen8. I have plenty of stuff for g9 but her underarms drive me nuts.

I have a few of the cynderblue, I have a couple of Alfan, etc. They have great details. But not what I am looking for.
Washing a character out, is not the same as pale skin.

Just like you cant take a Caucasians texture and simply darken it to make it ethnic.

I have twiddled with gamma to make it appear lighter. I have twiddled with render settings. Its not doing what I need.

I am very familiar with what pale skin looks like. I am dang near ghost white. Simply washing it out, doesnt work.
There is a particular luminance, translucency that comes with it.

I am utterly confused why this seems so controversial.

I mean, not being funny, but I did look in several marketplaces. I have googled. I have tried different render settings. I am not looking for render settings. I am looking for an actual texture that is pale. I have even tried the Asian textures, as they tend to be a particular type of pale.

Simply looking at a promo shot doesnt give you the context if the texture works in "real world" if you will. That was why I am asking for peoples opinion as to their actual experience with different packages.
Its not a hard concept.
As I cant "test drive" a package, its logical to ask people who may HAVE used various texture packages how well they work, how they look, etc.

GGreen posted at 7:11 PM Tue, 9 July 2024 - #4487223

Type Pale Skin in the search boxes and see if you see anything that suits you. Everyone has a different opinion about what a "good pale skin is"

I...did that. Its exactly why I am asking for opinions of people that may have actual experience with different pale skin packages. As simply looking at a promo shot doesnt tell me the quality. Those that use the skin packages can give an opinion based on varied lightings, render settings, etc.

GGreen posted at 5:43 PM Tue, 9 July 2024 - #4487219

Instead of looking for a good pale perfect texture consider looking for the things that you want to see in the final render like the faint tracing of veins, https://www.daz3d.com/add-some-veins-hd-for-genesis-9, https://www.daz3d.com/add-some-veins-hd-for-genesis-8, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/117529/lie-eye-veins-and-bleeds-for-genesis-3-female, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/148631/twizted-skin-details-for-genesis-81, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/119145/twizted-anatomical-details-skin-mr, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/125214/freckled-skin-g8-mr, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/162188/freckled-skin-mr-for-genesis-9, https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/114308/skintastic-skin-mr-freckles-g3f, https://www.daz3d.com/skin-detailer-for-genesis-9-merchant-resource, look for moles, pimples, blemishes, etc. You can also use Photoshop brushes to help you achieve the effects you want.

I have vein sets, I have skin sets(pbr, skin manager,skin effects,etc) I have all sorts. But what I need is a good pale skin texture. Not one that is washed out, not one that is a tan that is lightened to make it pale. Pale skin has its own look to it. The vein overlays do not look like what I need. They do not look right as they are on overlay.
I have taken figures with "normal" skin tone and tried to change it vie post work and its still not what I need.
There is a translucency to true pale skin.

I know about all the lil programs, scripts, sets out there. That is not the issue.
SO, I am asking for good pale skin characters that have good texture, not overly airbrushed. Good "flaws", good wrinkles etc that look like...pale skin.



OH and I forgot I have even tried layering geoshells to get the translucency. Layering different maps with varied transparencies.

gohanf22 posted at 8:10 PM Mon, 10 June 2024 - #4486033

FirstBastion posted at 1:27 PM Tue, 4 June 2024 - #4485684

The LadyDeath is fairly easy to KITBASH cause it is basically a bikini with garter and hose, long gloves and a full length cape.  all black with long white hair. There is no shortage of those pieces floating around.

Witchblade on the other hand,  is iconic and unque,  and generally a better comicbook too with Sara's story.

True but to be AUTHENTIC for lady death, you need it to adorned with skull jewelry, etc.  Problem with trying to find outfits for these and even other fan art characters is one reason: copyright. And I know many people making stuff for DAZ don't want the good old LAWSUIT for doing that.   Its looking like I may have no choice but to really start making my own assets for DAZ.

Yes, the skulls kind of make the outfit, again, fairly easy to kit bash. You can find a small skull ornament on some 3d sites and just place them, parent them and off you go. If you have the ability, download sculptris and quick form a flat back skull prop and import.
There is a bathing suite at daz I believe its called viper suit?  that could be tweeked out as well.
There is also the "shadowrealm" suit that could be tweeked out.
(actually, there are a few option that with a small alteration in transparency etc could be workable)

Also is the option(as the outfits are so tight in the graphic novel) is painting it.
If you have the option to use marvelous designer, fairly easy to get some "tight latex" outfits made up.
Or...
Naked. Naked lady death is always good...

prinzeugen12 posted at 10:16 AM Wed, 15 May 2024 - #2987545

Are we ever going to see an upgrade to the female G9..?  I like the high resolution textures in some cases but the chest, breast , nipples  on V9 leave a lot to be desired.. G9 makes a good male model and they are good to turn into monsters if that is your thing but  the female G9 ,,sigh  I still use V8.1 most of the time..

I have almost all the “morph” sets for g9....plenty of character sets and cloths and I...have never used it. I open it, twiddle with it and it just...doesn't move right. The under arms are a nightmare.
Breasts? ugh no.
There is something that doesn't sit right with it. Something about the face, just...doesn't work.
I tend to get abit "Ohh lets see what the new fig' does" but this time, its just a no.
I get plenty of good results with g8.

Seeing as some improvements in human figures are boggling, it tends to be a bit of a let-down that, what is supposed to be improvements in the Gen' figures, seems to be going backwards.

DocPhoton posted at 2:58 PM Sun, 3 March 2024 - #4482158

Is there -any- morphs or packages that allow this to happen for gen 8?
ANY
I am trying to do the bones myself so the hand will actually move -like a hand- but....

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Oddly, was dealing with this just this morning.

Over at Daz there are two products that I've had for awhile that you might want to check out:

https://www.daz3d.com/hands-dial-up-for-genesis-8-female

https://www.daz3d.com/hands-dial-up-for-genesis-8-male

... but in all honesty one will do you. 

Feet, I don't know. Once in shoes, correctly on the ground & not poking, I don't worry too much.  );

I had been eyeing that package up. But my issue is the palms/main body of the hand. FIngers...work well. I have a few morphs for the knuckles to make them look better but its grasping/holding things that is making my head hurt. The body of the hand is not solid/rigid.