haha very cool isnt it thats a damn clear pic spike and as was mentioned you seem to have a pretty syemtrical face ! lucky you hahahh a ! keep them coming this is fun !

another as well

Ok this was a good topic! Thanks for posting it scott ! many good opinions were posted and side topics arouse unfortanetly Im going to lock it down before it heads south any further! feed back on a thread like this at any fourm is a great thing, so i hope you did find something in it of use to you as the poster and to those who offered help thanks ! "I'll never make the mistake of posting in this forum again. So please just let me leave already." As to not posting in the forum anymore scott your input and post are as welcome as anyones I hope that you reconsider Im sure you have alot of positive input to add and there are many in the post that had good intentions! i think irratation sometimes can occur in situations like these anyway thanks to scott and all who contributed to this thread unrelated but i read this just a moment before posting its a great inspiration thought id share ! [IF] If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too, If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much, If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Kipling

Teyons suggestion is mine as well

MOST EXCELLENT ! This is a great rewrite if not a origional its so damn good and clean i was hoping somone would take advantage and rewrite for independent apps Thanks ! You make me want to try wings after looking at this LOL !

Thanks guys it would be great ! no need to ask just go or it and post in here ! thanks in advance

jeez nice great detail just shows its not the app but the artist! good work !

mirai btw was a 6500.00 dollar app so geting wings even with some lesser abiltys is a hell of a deal

wings 3d is basicly a mirai clone to an extent its a very strong app for modeling definetly worth learning

Surface baking is a great trick as well but then again its only part of the whole picture you still need to set the lights etc because basicly your just baking the lighting into the surface and youd still loose the perspective desaturation etc of the pic you can get an ideo of what i mean by looking at the pic see how objects further in the background are less detailed and more destaurated Im not saying this cant be done in a render just that it adds alot to the render process that is often over looked you could used depth of field to blur out some detail in the background and volumetric lighting etc surface baking but then again rememeber if you bake the lighting inot the surface your stuck with just that light set and animation then becomes a huge pain !

haha mod could you imagine the lighting nightmare it would take to set up that pic if it were a render though one great thing about mattes is instant results quickly im betting there would be well over 200 lights if that were a render err each with its own settings etc

This iis theh thing to understand as well often times the computer will give true colors even when light perfectly ! meaning that those colors very rarley are that truein life if you look at the red ball in the grass on a sunny day theres probaly actauly very litle true red more cyan pink etc but we still know its a red ball ablve in mullins pic i know its a paintng but in the movie youd probaly be fooled becuase its painted in a way using lighting that your mind would average for an example if you look at a brown or black horse on a bright day from a distance you know what color is a mix of brown and black, but if you look closer youll see the averged saturation color is greyish. If you painted a grey hoarse with tocuhes of brown and black instead it would look more realsitic to the mind than just thinking theres a black horse and painting it black same with the pic above ,look at it for just a second and you think thats a green room but then take it in to photoshop and youll see theres very lil true green at all but more of an averaged colors combined kinda getting off the deep end here so ill stop but just some things to consider

remember sas well even though your seeinng the whole pic here often times juust portioned are used and scrolled on as well This is a paint over done by the genius known as craig mullins !

one of the huge reasons that the mattes and cg and real life characters all looked so damn good in the movie was from the digital grade process no matter how hard you try theres virtualy no way to perfectly match the colors tones and saturations when combineng the three but when you use digital grade you take all three and apply the same tones values etc so you get the perfect blend as if you lite them all in the same render machine really cool stuff as far as mattes go teyon hit on what you said and dusso actauly uses some 3 d copenets in his pics as well alot of time the matte is only on the screen for a inbetween shot where it pops up on the screen for about 3 seconds so no animation is needed just a dust layer etc maybe some birds in a layer over top etc some times 3d is used to lay down the foundation for the matte as well or the matte is used to cover just a portion of the background

lol yeah < i guess i will add more detail after a few more post but hey look at that sweet model you got going ! is it the balrog if so i have some good refrance shots if you d like anyway thanks for posting guys