Quote - With Octane you don't have to wait 20 min to see the result of a parameter tweak, you see it in real time. So every tom, dick and harry can get great result with this render that do the work of 10-15 computers in a render farm.

That is such things my mind muses of when I see the enormeous time and effort bagginsbill lay down in his renders. 

to me that seems more like a sport, to get the most out of Poser's render engine (like jpf does, for example)

for realism there are faster - and easier - ways nowadays.

i hardly use Poser for rendering - to be exact, never - and in my eyes there's more in perfomance than just render speed.

responsiveness of the user interface is one point.

deletion of a figure or prop from a scene, navigating and posing in a more crowded setting than just one vicki wearing one cloth, moving through larger scenes/environments. i don't see  too much improvement in this sector. and that in a 64 bit application.

it is very unfortunate.

after all the program is called "Poser" and not "Renderer".  

Poser content in a cloud? what a funny idea! absurd, but funny. :lol:

well, i don't believe that SM really thinks they have a bug-free PP12 out :D

those support tickets are a pita. no matter how detailed you are, they always want information you gave them before. i have to wonder if they really read the things? i'm fairly computer experienced, i do programming, i know what infos are needed when reporting a bug - so i had the one or other face-palm moment. after all my issue was delegated to the programmes - well, at least that's i've been told :)

but posting this issue over at the official Poser forum at RDNA might bring some better responses.  

Import in Hexagon 2.5 works fine.

Import into Vue 7i works, too, but the result is questioanable compared with the imported original 3DS (see image).

couldn't find any missing EOLs in the file, though. 

Win7 64Bit, german, pp12 64Bit, Octane 2.52 64Bit 

Select the GROUND and try: Display element - Wireframe

Quote - Who cares if you "posed" it - if it's not your creation, the pose is original, but the image is largely made of plagiarism - plagiarized mesh, plagiarized rigging, plagiarized materials, etc.

There's no refuting that. The question is does composing the scene (choosing costumes, posing, lighting, and camera, etc.), i.e. being a virtual producer/director of the photo shoot qualify you as a CG artist. I say it doesn't. It qualifies you as a producer/director. CG artist is not the producer or director - he is the guy who makes the assets from nothing.

Isn't that exactly the point the guys on CGS sniff at?

Quote - Turn the argument around and think that some folks like BagginsBill choose a more challenging app like Poser to create their own effects rather than having a cadillac app like 3d Max that can do everything for you if you pay enough money or go to school to get a license... apps most people cannot afford basically unless they pay a tuition.

For a true artist, wouldn't a limited app pose more of a challenge?

LOL, definitely not, even more on a professional level.
That's like "look at that tree - I could cut it down with a chainsaw, but I'll do it wit my pocket knife. That's more challenging!"
The only excuse for using limited apps is because you can't/won't use, learn or afford anything better.

Quote - Could Stonemason make his masterpieces using only Poser? If painted into a corner, I believe he could. He'd figure a way to do it - i believe. It's the impulse, the desire, the hunger to create... more than the app.

His works reqiure modelling, uv mapping and texture work.
I wonder how he'd manage that in Poser.

Ah Firefly - now that was a TV show!

Quote - Is 2008 too long ago to consider this thread a valid take on how CGSociety patrons see Poser?

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5047724#post5047724

Interesting read.

hehe, and the first reply comes from "Senior Software Engineer, Smith Micro" 

Quote - so tell me in your opinion why does anyone using Maya need the genesis clone and its "features"
being emulated inside Maya.?
and I suggest to you like I suggested to Dan Farr
if you dare take your best Daz genesis promo links over to CGS
and start a thread in the Autodesk Maya forum
ask them "if you could get this figure into Maya with its full daz studio functions
would you buy a plugin and use it in your Mel scripted file referenced pipeline"

Do this and post a link here to the CGS thread so we can see what Maya users think about "genesis" in Maya

but ... but ... but what about that long anticipated blockbuster "GENESIS - The Morphing Movie"?
Don't tell me it's a hoax! :biggrin:

Quote - OK, I just checked my post at CGS... I really am steamed. I wanted to ask a question in a neutral place about weight mapping. But that was before I found out about poser sucking and such over there. Now I am even more angry, because strangely they think I came there to be validated?! o0 No I came to ask a technical question and was curious.

Well, yanno - maybe actually asking  your questions might have given you some useful answers?

There even is a "Character Rigging" forum at CGS. 

Rushing in and complaining that Poser isn't treated fair doesn't really help get a reasonable reaction.... :rolleyes:

Quote - bury their turds in the backyard and pretend they never existed.

I wished that would be a tradition in the Poserverse, too ...  :biggrin:

Quote - BTW, YES I do art and have a nice diploma to prove that (*Hubby thinks it looks good on the wall too!) stomps foot just because I can.

sigh - yeah, right, I should have known it. > Quote -

http://www.robertocampus.com/2007/05/tutorial-goddess-painting-the-female-body/
not sure what the issue is with the image,he has a tutorial on his site about it and clearly mentions Poser,The reason it isn't listed in 'software used' at cgs is because the thread the image is posted in is 8 years old and I don't think the site had that feature back then.

I wouldn't count that as a Poser image, because Poser's not the main tool here, it's just used as a reference like a photo or manikin, and the real - artistic, if you will - work is done in 2D. In fact - wasn't that was Poser was intended in the first place? :) > Quote -

I've seen requests for a Poser forum at cgs and the reasons given for not having one are based on the fact there aren't enough Poser users at cgs to justify it.it's the same reason there's no Houdini or Flame forums at Renderosity,there simply isn't the userbase to make that worthwhile.

Oh, I doubt that. I bet, there's a lot of Poser users registered at CGS. :D I remember being that an issue quite a long while back and the sub-tone was not very Poser-friendly. IIRC, the main fear was getting flooded with NVIATWASs. though this might (and should) have changed by now. At least Poser's allowed even in the challenges now. ;)

Quote - at the end of the day I've found CGS to be a great place to grow your skills and get feedback that helps you grow(if you want it),I've learnt alot from CGS,I've also had a vast amount of work offers come through CGS front page plugs

I second that.
from the more serious people there (people like yourself, leigh, ortiz or stahlberg and others) I've never read a derogative reply. They always try to be helpful and informative. In fact I had a very informative, though short discussion with Steven Stahlberg about one of my (-gasp-) Poser images a while ago. 8)

And for the Poser bashers at CGS - there are at least as many Poser fanatics out there and they're not a bit better. :P

I refrain from posting work at CGS, because in the end I've nothing more to refer to as a long list of ready made stuff plus postwork, composition and lighting. Even if I add some effort done in Vue, compared to the work and originality others bring in, I'd simply feel a little embarrassed. And I'm no artist anyway. 

sorry, but this seems to me like another "but I DO art, too!!!" stomps with feet thread.

but in case it isn't, maybe you can step back from your work in a quite moment and ask yourself some questions:

• if you have a picture in your mind, can you bring it - exactly as envisioned - on your monitor?

• do your pictures look some way similar to all the other Poser stuff?

• do characters in your work look like real, living persons, and not like the thousandth incarnation of V4/M4?

• is there something unique in it, that people can't find elsewhere?

• you've been at CGS, so, can you do something of a quality that would make it into their choice gallery?

Poser's problem is, it works only with premade stuff - stuff that's been sold - and shown - a thousand times. that limits it's use to some point. if you can't get the prop you need - and can't make it yourself - you're screwed. if you want to show a certain type of dress, but can't find it in the market - you can forget it. want to put a stunning landscape in the background? with Poser, well....

Point is, art is something that comes from your mind and soul, not from market resources. In that way Poser is limited, and maybe that's what the so called "elitists" refer to. 

(BTW, your "V3" is a 2D drawing, have a look at the artist's website to see how he works ;) :http://www.robertocampus.com/2007/06/photoshop-tutorial-wonder-woman-pin-up-digital-painting/)