Big thanks. That completely sums everything up without any confusion. Looks like I'll be doing much more PNG's.

#17..3 points #11..2 points Hope next month has more participants.

I never thought you did, Harmen. Besides, you have a very unique (and cool) style, so it was obvious who you were. It just adds a sour taste in my mouth to know that there is so many multiple accounts being used for God only knows what. There are only three reasons I can think of for having multiple accounts. 1-you have two very different styles that you want to get across. 2-you have some works that you aren't sure are good enough, so you post under a psuedoname. 3-just like authors, you want to get something posted without the "fans" giving tons of support (this is often done to see if someone actually likes your work). To do it to push pieces by multiple voting, or God forbid, get yourself into a position you wouldn't have been voted to is, as I eluded to, dishonest. There might be other reasons that are justified, but maybe I overlooked them because I was still cringing after reading there was an increase of 4000 members. Matt started all of this to point out that there is a problem with the Hot 20. Sad thing is that is only a symptom of the problem. The root cause is that if people are creating multiple accounts for dishonest uses, then they need an ego check. I'm not pointing fingers saying who is and who isn't. They know who they are and I would hope they know what they need to do. As I said, I am what I am, an honest man. I also know I am not the only one with this stance, just wish it was 100%. Jeff PS. Still haven't solved the issues of the Hot 20. It's what people think is hot, not perfect, not Louvre calibur, just what people think rocks.

Only if you vote multiple times. That would defeat the purpose of a democratic vote.

Well, let the records know that there is only one Aeires/Jeff in any community. I am what I am which is an honest man.

Well said, Elizabeth.

You can make them in Fractal Explorer. Never messed with them because, quite frankly, I don't have a clue what they are. I suppose if you had a lot of patience, you could manipulate the parameters into something cool. Never had that patience with them. Hope this helps.

You know Matt, I think I'm beginning to like you. Love it when someone is so passionate about something that they will go through such an elaborate, intricate, and exhaustive plan just to prove a point. Must have taken an enormous amount of time to log in, vote, log out, and repeat for at least 38 times. Very persistant. Jeff

I don't think the issue is whether it was moved, but what the criteria are. This isn't the only site that moves peoples works around, just probably the most lackadaisical about it. Perhaps a clearing up what constitutes what should be in the fractal gallery would clear this up. I've had some mixed media posts myself, and wondered if they were appropriately posted. As long as there was a reason given, which there was, there shouldn't be a problem with egos getting in the way. Regardless, I don't think there would have been a problem if it would have been a normal post. I agree with Rick on the subject. Because it entered the Hot 20 under scrupulous means, it received the most attention. If it was me, I wouldn't have moved it to a different gallery, I would have deleted it altogether for cheating. The whole thing infuriates me because there have been a great amount of exceptional posts this past week. Whoever owns the Hot 21 was done a tremendous disservice, not to mention all the votes for the 21st piece were stomped on because someone "hacked" the system. Jeff

Yep, let's burn down his gallery and string him up for the crows. This time not LOL. aeires

Judging by the reaction, it looks like someone is getting a good laugh at our expense. I say we find them, burn their gallery down, and string them up for the crows (LOL).

Was wondering that myself. Kinda defeats the purpose of the hot 20 if someone can petition enough voters to vote on a work that old. The saddest part is that there are some great works this past week or so that should be taking one of the 20 slots that it is taking.

No, very clear. Thanks for the feedback. I'll do that step by step next time. It was probably something dumb that I did wrong. Have to expect some glitches when working with a new program the first time. Still fuming over the files. One was a ferny spiral, the other some wild plant thing. Jeff

I agree with all that, but would also add that it is a work of art that is so well crafted, that it is highly unlikely that it can ever be equaled. Mona Lisa, Michaelangelo's David, and pieces like that. Stands the test of time and is loved by every generation. Of course, fractals are kinda new as far as art goes, but I would like to think that in a hundred years from now there will be fractal pieces that will be in the Louvre. Think about that before you laugh. Jeff

Too cool. I've been beating my head against the wall over this same problem. Huge thanks for the help on this. Jeff