I thank you for the congrats. The red was getting a bit much after a while though wasn't it?

Bonestructure; thanks, forgot about Avalon as it has been a long time since I went looking for a model. Agamemnon : I am not familiar with who you are as I don't recall you from seeing your posts so I presume you are a newer member or just don't post a lot here. I want you to remember your advice in case you are ever tempted to download a model from the Free Stuff pages. And never presume to tell anyone how much pride they will have in accomplishing something unless you know them much better than you know me. You have posted your little comment above like I just suddenly discovered the programs of Bryce and Poser etc. and sound like a real pro giving advice to a newbie. You should first find out about a person and the work they do and the quality of that work and how long they have been doing it before giving advice like you did. This post is not to start an arguement but to point out that if a model exists of what a person needs then they have the option of using it. If they didn't use it then there are a lot of people whose real talent is in making models that a lot of us are not capable of who would have no audience for thier work or even a reason to continue with thier work as no one would require it. If I can't find one then of course I will make one as that is my other option. I am sorry but I am a little put out by the tone of your comment. If it was not intended then I apologise now.

As someone who does work with book designers and a few interior designers I don't know of any who are in that much of a rush that you would need it yesterday. As for availability of an artist you could make it part of your agreement that they inform you by email of any holiday or change of venue etc. that they may do or contemplate doing. The internet is a fluid and always changing entity and for one to keep up you have to adapt. Much as I hate to repeat what you said there are a lot of very good artists who are members here and it is their work and talent as artists which will play a major part to sell the art to designers. That is the thing to remember and to most of us whether we sell a piece or not each picture is one of our children and the program is proof of our parenthood. Unless I am paid ahead of time for a work there is absolutely no chance of you or any one on God's green earth getting the program for one of my pictures. That's not to say that there may not be amiddle ground. I hope you find a way to reasurre people here of your intent as it would be nice to see some of the people here have their work exposed to the general public. Good luck to you. Beelz

Bonestructure; Whats your addy on 50 megs? Thats my sites host also. I get the no banners setup and I like the way the new owners are setting it up. They are really spending the money and the 18 meg bandwidth is great eh? Check out my site at http://beelzebulb.50megs.com

I kind of hesitate at this little clause; .. Creation Vistas must have in addition to the thumbnail images for the galleries the original file to render from. BRYCE 2, BRYCE 3D, BRYCE 4, Terragen, Vue d' Esprit 2or 3 is what we can handle right now. We cannot put any image in our gallery without the original created file on hand. Again we will never use it until a customer has liked the image and ordered it. We will then contact you first to let you the artist make any changes to the image, if for some reason contact cannot be made in at least 2 days via email or phone, Creation Vistas will make the alterations "we cannot allow the customer to wait for any such delays". If you know you will be out of contact and do not wish Creation Vistas to alter your images then you must contact us to temporally remove your images from the galleries until you are back. I know of no digital artist who will let anyone have a copy of the program that thier work was rendered from. Nice idea but I don't see how anyone who does the type of stuff we do can or will give the programs to anyone to do as they wish which from what I can understand from reading your agreement terms is pretty well what we would be doing. Not a thing I or I imagine alot of people would be comfortable with.

I was still having this trouble about half an hour ago. Probably hacked again.

I would like to have all the above. The only restriction is no Pornographic pics. My site providers rules, not mine. Pretty well the same type as is in the galleries here.

I have been using FireTalk since December 11th. and am now hosting a download page for the program on my site. I have found it to be the most dependable program of its type and have had no problems or glitches at all.It's also the easiest one to setup on the web. The sound and clarity is exceptionally good also. I've saved a bundle on my calls to my brother who lives in the Turks and Caicos islands. From where I live in Canada it costs me $1.84 per minute to talk to him on the phone because none of the long distance plans cover the Turks and Caicos. Also you can set up your own forum for chat on the net with password access only for members to gain entry. It can be downloaded for free on at my site on the VoiceChat page. http://beelzebulb.50megs.com

Doc; Spoken like a true administrator and one whom we can all be proud of. I only have one problem with Jack's punishment. Why should he get mollycoddled and given shoes at all. Just another thing to add to the reputation of sympathy and niceness we Canadians have been so wrongfully tagged with. I say no shoes ( not even snowshoes) and as an added punishment he be put on a road crew clearing snow with a toothpick like the rest of the ones doing time in Canada for uttering bad jokes about our beloved citizens.

We Canadians have used that joke for years but I'm pretty sure the one who got shot was from Tennesee(hope I spelt that right)and the one who saved the bottle and did the shooting was from New York in the Bowery. The Canadian was just an impartial observer.

Yeah, well I shouldn't have snapped back either. As to the way to do it properly I would think with all the people who come here one should be able to come up with a formula to make sense. I would think something along the lines of the amount of ratings posted on a picture times the total of the ratings or something like that. I'm not a mathematician but there has to be one among the members. I truly believe that no rating is better than a false one no matter how well intentioned the idea. I like the idea of a rating system and am sure if you throw it out to the members at large that we need a formula that works (maybe a contest?) you will get a response from others who will figure it out and we will have on this forum another first.

Roy; I didn't say I had another idea so don't get in a knot about it. What I pointed out is only the truth. Don't try and put it on me just because I pointed out a flaw in the idea.

I foresee a slight unfairness in this system. You are now ranking on a percentage. If a picture receives a ranking of only two 5's it and another receives fifteen 5's and one 4 it will be ranked lower than the one that has only two 5's. Is that indicitave of a true ranking? I don't believe so and until you come up with a better idea than that I don't believe that you can say it is a true ranking. I went through the rankings and found a lot of work of superior quality which were marked in this fashion in the middle while there was a fair amount of lesser quality work in the higher rankings. This gives a false impression and is not really fair to the viewers or the artists. My opinion may not be popular with some but it is a fact. Sorry if I offend anyone but that is the way I see it. Check it out yourself.

I am always surprised at the talent that seems to be emerging from a lot of the newbies lately. Makes me feel inadequate at times but also makes me impatient to see what they do next. Hope that you continue as this being your first picture you show a lot of promise.

And so it should as it is one of the most striking character studies I have seen. A very sincere congratulations on the award.