Oh, - and Crescent is correct. You could do some really good FINAL renderings in Bryce (probably better than you could make them in Poser), - but it's not a modelling tool. Britt

I've used AMAPI (the free version 4.15) to model this sweater for the P4 girl. After that I got hooked, - and got the upgrade to AMAPI 6.1 for my birthday. And I LOVE it. I'm still working my ways around to learn all the new stuff. BUT, - it's NOT easy to model things, - and actually make them WORK in Poser. Trust me. The sweater isn't done. I still have to work on the joints, - and the fall-off zones. I don't seem to be able to get them right. At one point I even broke down in tears (ehh.. might be a hormone thingy. *lol*) Shut down my computer and swore that I'd never touch a 3D software again. There have been some WONDERFUL people here in Renderosity, - who together with my mubby have given me the advices, - kicks in the rear and the "how to's" Now I'm at a stage where I have a working (err... semi working) sweater, a pair of pants, - and I'm trying to find the rotation order for a pair of winter boots I've modelled... Hmm.... The tutorials I've found seems to give me some wrong info on that one! *lol* It's an endless trial and error... which MOSTLY is fun. Britt

A good way to start trying out 3D modelling, might be to download, - and try AMAPI 4.15, which is free. You can find it here: http://amapi.idevgames.com/ There is a very good forum here in renderosity that gives you a crash course in how to use. (do a search for finger (practices) ) Good luck, and have fun! Britt

It's a long sleeved shirt. :( And you are the greatest! :) britte@bellsouth.net Thanks! a LOT! I'll just have to make you some Norwegian Glogg, - Right?? :)) Britt

Great! Thanks! That means that I can continue to use UV mapper. I had started to really! like that little program, - and I can't quite figure out the grouping tool in Poser. Britt

Aha. I've been through the settings in the joint editor for the n'th time, - and they are the same as the zeroed figure. That means, it has to be in the cr2 file! Phew! I thought I had to get a new pair of glasses! lol I think that my problem then is that there are practically no clothes made for the P4 nude kids. So what I did was using the cr2 file for the figure itself. Which means. I REALLY need that cr2 editor! :) Another thing that I've been looking at is how people are modelling their objects. Apparently some import "hip" and makes an object that fits the "hip". And then they do the same thing for the other bodyparts, - and prolly group them all in poser. I haven't done it that way. I've imported the girl into the modelling software (AMAPI), and then made a model that fitted the figure there. Reseized it in Poser, - and grouped it in UV-mapper. Of course I could not manage to get the body parts group exactly as they do on the figure. Would that represent a problem?? Britt And It's true! :) you ARE a treasure!

Laughing nyar1ath0tep - now you even got the wrong lyrics stuck in my head. I want that song outta there! lol But you're right on one note! ScottA is a treasure around here! :) ScottA: So what you're saying is that when I can't get that darned sweater to conform, it HAS to be some of the settings in the Joint Editor? If that's not the case, - what other parameters could it be? Britt still humming

Very nice, Sharen! :) Hmm.... as for the contest.... I need more coffee! lol Britt

My comment about the Greek ideal of nudity has nothing to do with ronknights work, which is excellent! I am sorry if my whisper was interpreted as if I didn't like it. :(. I most certainly do. Of course, - we - 2000 years after the Greek period are entitled to imagine what we want, - that is the beauty of working with artistic expressions. I'm well aware of the the mnt Olympus. :) and that "the Olymiade" was the 4 years between the Olympic games. We, - in our "civilized" world tend to forget that the ideals of the times we try to capture might not have been what we fantazise them to be. For the old greeks, nudity wasn't anything shameful, - on the contrary, - they admired the human body. Zeus was mostly pictured nude in the sculpures of him, - as was the other gods of mnt Olympus. http://www.louvre.fr/anglais/collec/ager/br0154/ager_f.htm http://www.louvre.fr/louvrea.htm Britt

A warm welcome from another newbie here. What a wonderful introduction! I'm wating for more! :) Britt

Congratulations!!! Very well done, neighbour! :) Britt

...tapping my foot.... looking around.... WHERE are those scetches??? :) Britt

Check some stock photography sites. They sell pictures with and without giving up total rights. The prices are of course different. Try here: www.superstock.com

VERY NICE.... ..but psstt.... The ancient olympian athlets weren't permitted to wear cloths. They were competing nude. :) The beauty of the bodies were almost as important as their athletic results :)

LOL I'm sorry, can't give you any answers on your last question! If it is of any comfort, - I occationally ask myself the exact same question. If I find the answer one day, - I'll make sure that I send you a note! Britt