The problem, Heart'Song, comes from the tos and their application. You and me may have a specific perception of sexual content. Some others have quite another feeling about it apparently. That's the heart of the problem. Mods hide themselves behing the sacred tos and never justify their appreciations. I would be very suprised you get any helping advice from them apart "follow the tos or get banned...

Stacey, I won't repeat, just read above. MorriganShadow: "Hooray for the other sites that allowed your image. It is not allowed here. Those are our rules" The sites I was speaking about use the same tos. Do you have any explanation for the diference of behaviour here and there? "Either it was an erection, or you morphed it to be one heck of a long penis that's just hanging there." Ah! We made a lot of progress! For the very first time a mod express the hypothesis that it might only have been a long penis! Great! By the way, I don't think that long penis are forbidden by the tos, are they?

Dear Elisabyte,
Even if Heart'Song were the biggest trouble maker in the world (which is really not the case), she had to be treated like the others, equally. That is called "justice", a notion apparently foreign here. I find quite shameful that the mods themselves do admit to treat people differently according to their personnal opinion: "this is a trouble maker, he criticizes the Hot20, he gives critical comments on famous/appreciated/popular fellows/friends, OK, we'll get rid of him!"
This is how it works. Mods can still pretend it is not, the facts are the facts.

Message edited on: 03/12/2005 09:53

Contacting the admin is completely useless as long as the ban decisions are taken with his agreement. Talking to him, just like talking to the mods here is like trying to discuss with a wall. You say there was an erection? I say there was not. You're 10 to think there was one? I can bring you 10 more people that will say the contrary. As I told, there are 5 other sites that shows this pic without any problem. Where does that lead us? That lead us to the fact that even if the tos are clear, the interpretation of these rules and their application to specific pics is a subjective process. Taking these decisions in team is better than individually for sure but that does not prevent you from mistake, specially if the whole team share the same kind of approch on those things. You did not like my analogy? I did not like the decisions taken against me neither. I could have used other comparisons inspired from History: inquisition in the middle age, talibans in Afghanistan, the Crystal Night in the nazi germany, the jewish affairs in France under the Vichy regime, the trials of Salem and so on. Each time censorship has been applied this kind of way, the system was turning into a parangon of intolerance which is one of the first signs of a growing tyrany system. So, I do maintain my analogy. It is well aaplied in this case. Why do I keep on in here? I want to give my support to the people who suffer from those abuse. What is certain is that I will never post any pic here anymore. I will never buy anything here anymore. Ban me for life if you think that solve the problem. You say I'm sickening? What is sick here is the tos themselves! Is a nude child image a perverted vision in itself? Who is insane: the one that makes such pic or the one that feels excited by it or even the one that imagine someone could be excited? The last one is like the second with a subtile diference: he projects his own perversion onto imaginary people. Both are sick. Cerainly not the author who can't be taken for responsible of the insanity of others.

"This is a ploy by you to fight the so called censorship of your work. I myself and karen have explained to you that if you have a problem with me or her to please contact Spike at spike@renderostiy.com or any other adminsistrator here and not to do it in public. If you continue these tactic's we will be forced to permantly ban you from this site." Those were your words. I don't call that a fair dialogue or explanation.

I wish to add that this image has been posted in 5 other sites using the exact same kind of TOS. At this time, I got no complain about it. On the contrary, many people congratulated me for it. Does that make any sense for you, Sndcastie?

Sndcastie, you must be joking, I guess! Saying "you break the tos, there is an erection here" without giving any argument to proof such words is not an explanation. You should learn how to justify your decisions without hiding yourself behind the admins. I have stored all your messages too. I'm ready to make them public and fully commented and you?

"There was NOTHING in any of those images to deserve such treatment"
Yes, that's the opinion of many people. But not the opinion of our "beloved" team here:
"Hi Olivier,
After further consultation with my colleagues and reviewing your posting record, I am issuing you with a 3-day site ban. As previously stated, I will also be asking admin to review your permanent membership."
Appreciate the familiar salutation. That illustrates their respect for me pretty well.
Some claimed that excuses should be make to Heart'Song. Don't even think of that. Giving apologies is not the politic applied here.
To quote again someone: "And if someone truly wants artistic freedom to post whatever they can imagine, they can build their own website or go to another."
How sadly true.

I would recommend you to use the grouping tool on Laura's head, select the polygons you want and then click then "spawn prop" button. This will work perfectly without leaving Poser. ;)

Thanks a lot, Rockets! What makes me particularly grin is that one of these images used in the spotlight is the one that got me banned from here... This is a good proof that the decision taken here are much discussable even if they're taken in team. A whole team of narrow minded ones is still narrow minded. You say that leaving this place is letting those puritan wins. I don't agree. Each time someone leaves them, they fail. Drop by drop, member by member, they're loosing something more. I don't call that a glorious victory.

Hey, Rockets! If the rules states that you get banned each time you offend those puritans, it is surely a good thing for the open minded people to go somewhere else, don't you think so?

hauksdottir: "There are procedures for removal of images where the member is notified exactly why the image was removed" False! I sent many emails to admins and mods to know for what exact reasons my pics were banned (I mean a true argumentation): all I got was "you break the tos" nothing more. If you call this an explanation, let me laugh! "And if someone truly wants artistic freedom to post whatever they can imagine, they can build their own website or go to another." You are completely right. Ro is certainly not a place where freedom has a meaning so far. One last word about the tos rules: during their trial at Nuremberg, most of the nazis used to say (to defend themselves) that they were just following orders and rules... The problem here is that this rule is not a good one being dicted by a not so moral puritan principle. The site should be renamed for sure: what about PURITOSITY? It sounds pretty good, no? "even Renderotica refuses child nudity" So what? Where's the big deal? Is Renderotica a reference in any kind in freedom of expression? Never heard about that. Do you mean that even pornographic sites wouldn't host Heart'Song pics? Well, you could not have been more insulting her. geoegress: Thank you for the link. I'll upload my stuff there too. :)

Well, you know usually the video cards are opengl compatible. Yours is not only compatible, it integrates all the opengl in hardware: this is much better! :)

Yes it is. You have a great card and don't have to worry about it! :)

Oh, another remark: when my several pics comments were erased, and whhen I got my 3 days of bannishment penalty (that were 4 and half in reality) I did not get any message oe email before the admins took their decision but after they did it. I saw some others that had the chance to be contacted before and were able to do to the necesseray adjustments. I have never been given this chance. As you said the tos are not applied equally and the mods are not behaving equally neither according to they want to get banned...