Oh, thank you all for fing the information!

I am sorry for being elliptical. The new Cirque du Soleil project, slated for New York and Las Vegas, is called Zumanity. It is an adult only and will feature partial nudity which is why the question of question of clothing is jokingly moot... If you look on the Cirque official site or "Google" Zumanity, you call read and see more details.

I thought I would throw my "two cents" in... I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Herbert before his death and can say with some authority that the women in his books were a tribute to his wife. I also wanted to encourage everyone to go to book signings and meet the authors. I remember fondly Ray Bradbury telling me a raunchy story about meeting W. C. Fields as a child...

Any garments for Michael are appreciated; people underestimate how garments can be used with other garments such as pants for that Blade-runnery look etc...

Dear Mr. Farr: let me begin by saying how grateful I am for your company, your products, and the attention that you gave to this matter. I may be speaking for myself but I believe the title of this Renderosity thread was unfortunate (I believe the author was attempting humor which is doubly difficult in ASCII). Would the names be less offensive if Daz was located in Tennessee? No, strictly speaking, but I don't think anyone believes that either Daz or Dalinise was trying to offend anyone and your locations had only something to do with the title of the thread and not with the naming of the products. The second question is a little more difficult. Is Daz being held to a different standard; in truth, I hadn't noticed the Dalinise textures in Renderosity... If I had, I probably would have seen the name, a flash of dark skin in the gif of the product and very quickly and very deliberately scrolled past. I do look at the Daz product page very often and did notice the name and product. I was reading the forums here at Renderosity and notice that I wasn't alone in being a little perturbed by it. Realistically, I am aware there are very few black Renderosity and Poser people around so it was a topic of interest. I do think both Daz and Dalinise were wrapped up into something that is very complicated. I hope you do note that many of the authors were not blaming you or Dalinise but merely stating a discomfort with atavistic terms for people.

I have to confess that I haven't been able to follow this thread as closely as I should. However, first, thank you Cyberstretch for reminding us that we are all on the same side here citizens of earth and poser users. I don't think race will go away; perhaps it will become like hair color. However, our history is our legacy; perhaps we should view this like dining in a city where you can choose barbeque, pizza, or vegetarian and be glad of the variety?

I dip in this pool yet again... I don't think I particularly want anyone's guilt and I agree that all of this stuff (race, sex, nationality, religion, political ideology) is a pretty trivial compared to the important things in life such as staying alive, advancing knowledge and art, feeding the starving etc... One major benefit of this discussion is that I probably would have never known that there were other black Poser users... I did want to add some observations. It seems to me that we are using "black" in two different ways; my skin tone is a golden brown with reddish brown hair and hazel green eyes but I am black in the way that a caucasian is not necessarily from the Caucasus'. This is my history, my culture, my parents and great-great grandparents (okay, some of them). Second, I think this thread originally started as being about the concept of politeness i.e... if Mrs. Jones likes to be refered to as Mrs. Jones, you don't call her by her first name and never as "Brown Sugar". Third, we all like Daz and would all like them to sell as many products to as many people as possible so politeness benefits them too!

Dear Dalinise: I wanted to thank you a) for replying to this convoluted thread, b) for making black characters (try illustrating tropical diseases in a talk without having figures who are dark), and c) for listening to the interests of the black users of Poser. I don't think you or Daz did anything wrong or meant any ill will whatsoever. I view this more like correcting someone for mispronouncing my name; my guess is that Daz doesn't have a whole lot of black people to even ask about these things. This thread seems like it has gotten much too personal at various points. Finally, is this an important topic? Well, even though your characters are beautifully done and I will purchase then, when I saw the name and a black face, I passed over them because I thought it was another one of those Vicky or Michael's in blackface. There is a Roman centurion on the same page;is it important if the costuming is accurate? Plenty of people will buy it any way... None of this is going to solve the great world problems but it might encourage your less than typical Poser user to buy your product Respectfully nemesis10

It is always a little dangerous to wade into these things, but as one of a relatively small group of black poser users, I thought I would add my thoughts. "Dark Continent" does have difficult historical connotations; Jchimim is correct in indicating that it refered to the mysteriousness of the place to Europeans but unfortunately ignored that there were people who lived there already and who were familiar with the continent. There are excellent style manuals used by businesses and the press to avoid these terms. "Brown Sugar" is problematic. The issue is familiarity; calling a black person "brown sugar" who you know well is fine as is any pet name. Using the term as a generic of the appeal to Caucasians of black people seems to me like complimenting someone on their breasts i.e... best saved for those "private moments". It does strike me as a little unprofessional.

So I wade in... this is a silly arguement... I think the important issue is that there are two communities of Poser (mac and windows users) who both provide valuable content so that it is disappointing that the output will narrow until both personal computers are up and running. It will be interesting to see what sort of Poser 5 content will be produced and how will Poser 4 deal with it. As a mac user, I find it suprising how much of the pc-only poser stuff is usable and it is only those files that use .exe that are unusable.

My guess was that they were trying to scatter as many ape clues as possible though I am hoping for a tarzan or morphing ape

I betting on gorilla for gorilla in the mist, Janbe like in Jane Goodall and Tarzan and Jane...

My question is How do you eliminate the white eyebrows that don't seem to map from the poser obj?

Eezee has an ibook ~$15.00, Turbosquid has a Titanium powerbook ~$20.00... there should still be a mouse, and Cube somewhere in the free stuff...

Oops... sorry, the body texture is the AntonMM texture from Daz3d, the hair is the Wonder Wedge from Daz3d, The clothes are Michael's fantasy clothes from Daz3d, an Anton facial morph from Daz3d, and Muscle Mike from Daz3d... thank you!