I'd be proud (as a lecching downloader of your Poser5 clothing textures) if you did - and it's been a long time since an off-the-cuff comment of mine became someone's sig :( Cheers, Cliff Bowman

Not only free but quite quite welcome :) As to content Paradise - it's exact nature seems to be unclear - I've sen mention (for example) of Poser 5 animals (rather than the old Poser 3 ones we've had for years) being made available on CP once it's ready, as they weren't ready on time for shipping with the program CD. I'd assumed these would not be at an extra cost, but I could easily be proven wrong (as could the comment I read). Facts are things that have been documented, lied about, re-written from another point of view, and presently reflect the current view of what REALLY happened "way back then", in hindsight. Pretty much everything else is speculation Cliff Bowman. Probably ;)

The question ahs to be - why are they at the curious Labs site instead of "Content Paradise"? Cliff Bowman

I'm largely ignoring the politics issue between CL and DAZ - I've missed most (if not all) of the relevant info and to be honest it's irrelevant to me (or rather, it OUGHT to be!). What I want is good stuff priced fairly - be it programs, models, textures, frozen chicken or what-have-you. While I can understand a little nervousness at other people understanding and using your proprietary file formats, don't CL owe a rather huge debt (morally) to the .OBJ file format themselves? This all smells far too much like the Bill Gates/Steve Jobs issues of years gone by (Xerox seemingly having designed huge chunks of what the two quarrelled about in the 80's IIRC). I say stop the fighting and find a middle ground - work together towards a greater future not pulling apart potentially to an unhappy end. Cliff Bowman

Reba's always been a shinign example of customer relations, as far as I can tell from my own experience. Personally I've been finding Poser5 huge fun to play with (admittedly not having quite as many problems as some) but I've STILL bought the P club membership. I figure that even though much of what I'd really like isn't in the club at present, maybe I'll get their Poser eqivalent for $1.99 . Seriously though, except where they're splitting up products so they can charge more than $1.99 for the whole thing (saw that trick on a brokered item with original price of under $15 IIRC) it's a wonderful deal - and they're bound to sell me all sorts of thing sI just couldn't justify otherwise. Hmmm.. nice dragon skeleton! cheers, Cliff Bowman

It's a pity that so many models - Millenium Dragon for example, or the dinosaurs, or... - aren't part of deal :( If MD was I could recoup over half the membership cost 'cos I only just bought him last month!

I've not tried a Poser5 .OBJ yet but I don't expect it to be significantly different to Poser4 in this respect... I use Cinema4D 5 SE from a magazine CD (actually PC Format issue 133), OBJ Scaler, and a "replacement" .OBJ filter for Cinema4D to fix "exploding" issues with the built-in filter. It's a bit of a hassle to do, but I scale up the .OBJ I want to modify (often an exported morph but there's no reason an original .OBJ from geometries folder shouldn't work), expand it with OBJ Scaler (been a while but say 100 times or perhaps 1000 times) and rename to a *.pbj (which the filter uses because it can't over-rule the built-in *.obj filter) and work on it. Often saving as a native Cinema4D file until I'm ready to export the resulting .OBJ, use OBJ Scaler to scale down (by 100x or 1000x) and then it's back into Poser. Like I said, a bit of a pain, but cheap.

Am I the ONLY one who saw teh first image and thought "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"? I guess so... Pretty impressive :)

Apparently SR-2 is on it's way - I'd be tempted to wait a few days (or even a week or so) if I were you, let the dust settle. Getting some impressive results, if somewhat slowly, from P5 SR-1 tho :)

Soulhunter - good points and very good grammar etc. (better than my posts anyway). although I feel Dark_Raven has some excelent points too, I must admit that I'm actually mostly in favour of P5 (despite the hassle it's caused me so far) and hope it continues to behave itself now I've registered. The one point I would raise against your post is that I don't want to rely on or even have a crack for P5 in order to use it in future - I want to be able to use the program until I choose not to (or not to be able to). This might be down to the installation of Windows XS 2006 (historically OS' have occasionally "broken" old applications) or my giving up on 3D/Poser/whatever... but I want to be able to choose to run a legal instance of the program I've paid for or not, regardless of CL's finances. If a hardware failure alone (death of a hard drive - or maybe even re-partitioning??) can/could prevent me from running a legal copy in the future, and be forced to try and find and use this crack, then I'm not a happy bunny on that aspect.

Re: CL financial stability, and the dough many of us have shelled out for P5 AND the copy-protection... I had a quick peek at Pace's site. Aside from stating that in no way with their copy-protection scheme ever cause any problems, even when different programs use different versions of the scheme (honest!) their FAQ's do have the occasional interesting comment. E.G. How do I unlock PACE protected software produced by an apparently defunct software company? While PACE Anti-Piracy does provide companies with copy protection tools and the ability to authorize customers, it does not have the customer databases of these companies to validate End User (the consumer) authenticity, nor does it have the legal right to distribute authorization codes for the products of these companies. Furthermore, while the copy protection implemented is made with its tools, PACE Anti-Piracy does not have the codes to unlock products for the End User. If you have bought a product in a box, we suggest returning it to the place of purchase for a refund. Copy protection is a topic that is fervently, almost religiously, debated. PACE Anti-Piracy provides tools to software publishers to protect software from theft, and these tools have successfully serviced many happy clients. The tools help software companies to stay healthy by allowing these companies to concentrate on their core products; however, it is the duty of these companies to stay in business and support their customers by providing authorizations. PACE works diligently to qualify our customers as healthy and able software vendors and do our best to advise them of how to best use our products. We are sorry that we can not be more of a help, but hopefully this helps to explain our position in these matters. So - if CL do go "legs in the air" anyone left holding a copy of P5 will be able to use it for as long as the hard drive they're using is both functional and in their computer. so no hasty upgrading, y'hear?

Copy-protection schemes do not prevent piracy or (I STRONGLY suspect) improve sales, any more than anti-virus products have put virus-writing to death. People with coding (and de-coding) ability will produce a crack for almost anything, and people who won't pay for the products WILL either do without them or get cracked versions. Copy-protection schemes (and I've seen a few come and go over the years) almost invariably infuriate a significant proportion of the users, and make vendors who haven't thought through the consequences feel smugly safer in thehopes that they won't lose sales. You don't lose real sales through piracy - thos eof us who are going to pay for a product will do so or have done so. So restrict the usage of a program to a single computer containing the hard drive at time of original installation negates many upgrades and indeed hardware failures, even if the copy protection scheme has no other ill-effect. From the documentation I've just been reading it looks like the entire program MAY be being slowed down by having copy-protection checking for legitimacy at uknown intervals (continuously?). As for the hardware accelleration that I think many of us were hopin g(or even, in this day and age, expecting) that wouldn't help render speeds - but it'd sure help the actual preview/working speed tons. If you want to maximise sales, there's a far better way of doing it. Produce a well-written (rare now but still possible, I think) comparatively reliable and fast product, and release it (when finished) at a reasonable cost. Reasonable people are willing to pay a reasonable cost for a good product.

For anyone unable to run SR-1 at all - I was in that boat until I restored my system and applied the (then received) registration response (spit, snarl). Curiously enough, once registered I can apply SR-1(b) and Poser5 does load... ...still as slow as a slug carrying an elephant, but it loads. Mayhap I can learn a bit about how it's supposed to work... but I'm devastated that the program doesn't use hardware acceleration for previews - and a quick MIMIC test suggests that P4 was way faster at previews :(

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