If you think trolls are bad, you've never run into an ogre, nor would you want to, believe me.

No mistake, it happens all the time quite regular, and I haven't even any art in the gallery.

illusions, you are missing the very last line to complete that song. "Don't you love farce? My fault I fear, I thought that you'd want what I want, Sorry my dear But where are the clones There ought to be clones Quick send in the clones Don't bother, they are here." According to hauksdottir psychology 101 class, I am one big evil clone needing attention. It would appear that although cloning is an accepted everyday custom here and online, it is at the same time also ironically frowned upon by actual clones; even self confessed clone Mongo thumbs down upon my 'assumed' "clonership" by other clones or possible clones! It sure makes a whole lot of sense that someone real is accused of being a big bad clone by clones or others that could be possible clones as well. Now that I am totally dazed and confused beyond hope on this first day of 2003, I better go and make sure I am still myself by looking into a mirror and checking with "real" friends. Happy New Year Afternoon

So, for showing myself, and who I am in a picture, I am assumed to be someone else trying to get attention? That really makes sense. Interesting summary hauksdottir. By your estimation most of the people here would be here only because an audience of 120,000 members is an attraction stronger than any magnet made of metal...because most folks here are clones or have clones. This much I have determined already. For all I know YOU yourself might be a clone. I guess you have this magnet too? And being here at all can't be for anything positive; why people would even wish to be here; such as inspiration, resources or community spirit, there always has to be a very sinister motive behind something in your eyes, even if there is none, doesn't there hauksdottir? Some say that those that "assume" the worst things about others are in fact exactly as they would assume others to be hauksdottir, maybe you really need to look into your own closet before attemting to create such negatives about others you really do not even know. Happy New Years Day

"Yet again, much ado about not much of anything. " Yes! And I like using that word "ado" quite often when I play scrabble. Gets em everytime. Happy New Year to you. Happy New Year to everyone.

Considering the unfortunate flak this Jack person is getting for posting this thread and an opinion, perhaps there should be a poll? A vote by the members about this Poser 5? I don't have any poser 5. I do like the pictures in the gallery no matter which poser anyone uses. Unless someone tells me, I can't tell the difference which poser is which. Is this a bad thing? It's probably because I don't know much about poser, other than the pretty gallery artwork created with it. I can really tell the wonderful artists apart from each other though, there seems to be some very cool artwork done with all five posers in the poser gallery. It works for me. Happy New Year

Hey Mongo, that's a real cool picture of you, suits you too, why, I swear you look just like..naaww, couldn't be. "Wow, does anyone here really believe that everyone posts their real pictures (or up to date pictures) of themselves here? ROFLMAO I have a bridge I'd like to sell you." You folks mean to tell me all those nice pictures of people on the front page here are not for real? And what about the membership gallery?? Can I buy the San Fransisco Golden Gate Bridge? I like that one a lot, it's very romantic and it would really wow the ladies if they knew I owned it. I gotta admit _Peter, this DragonWalk fella sure has aged rather quickly according to his picture at the other forum. Is this what too much computer time does to someone? Or poser? Oh my. Which now brings me to names. "where does Blackhearted fit into all of this?now really confused He doesn't. Someone mentioned bebop and from stuff I have read here, I believe everyone knows that this bebop and this Blackhearted fella go back a long way. I wanted to make certain that no one started calling me bebop, or Blackhearted, or even started thinking I was into selling light sets for poser. And I don't want to give liftan another reason to start up again, even if -klaus is getting very old. "DTHUREGRIF" sounds like a very real name which seems almost a rare thing around here, much like my name BillyJ, short for Billy James. It is very real too only not in such bold letters. You seem proud of your name and that's cool. A 'two thumbs up' to someone so daring here. I suppose not everyone wishes to use their real names here, and not everyone can have a cool real name like this _Peter in post 97 above here. I can well understand why some folks just might have a real problem using their REAL names. I feel your pain _Peter. "Would you like some salt, and perhaps some catsup?" Lots of pepper Ironbear. I have this thing about pepper. Good Monday.

No, I am not bebop, I am not Rad, or Nad, I am not DragonWalk nor am I Ron Knights. I am also not HairBall or liftan or any of those variations of people. I am also not an Admin. Nor am I a Mod. I do not hate Mosca. I don't hate Blackhearted. I do not hate the Poser Pros place. I actually like Legume's artwork a lot. I do not work for Renderosity. I do not work for Curious Labs. I am not a clone. I am not a clown. I am not a troll. I am just BillyJ. And as you can see, I do know a lot; I read and learn. And one last thing, I really like art a lot; one good picture is worth a thousand and one forum posts. Happy Days

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=304672&Start=1&Sectionid=8&WhatsNew=Yes

Here's looking at you all. I do admit this place is even more fun than I imagined, although a bit frustrating in these circumstances. Of all things about this place, the galleries here are the most relaxing to me because I can just look at pictures without folks assuming I am someone I am not. I suppose suspicion is a normal reaction to unfamiliarity. At least Homer Simpson knows me from Adam, or should I say this Rad, or DragonWalk, or Ron Knights, or whatever person may be next. We could make this fun and suggest I am even you Ironbear, pretending to be me pretending to be this Rad? Or Spiritbro77? I think if anything I would rather be LadySilverMage because that name is so catchy. Want to trade? On the other hand, she is a lady, wouldn't be right, and that would only get Homer excited and confuse my kids a lot. Good Sunday

Actually didn't know, do now. Nevermind, I think all of you are the ones missing something very crucial here. But I am not in the mood to explain. Enjoy your Sunday.

Ironbear, what is Rad and why would it be fun? I seem to be missing something very crucial here.

LadySilverMage, (and I still do like your name), it is this Ironbear above that introduced me to "other art sites" which compelled me to "look around." I am not an idiot and I can manipulate the internet well enough to find my way around and I do enjoy the passion of reading the forums as much as I do looking at the various galleries. One of the reasons I began posting here is because I developed a sincere interest in becoming more involved in the community instead of just looking around. Unfortunatly I don't have much to offer other than writing and giving opinions because I am not an artist. After reading a lot around here I felt it was safe to participate even without having to post artwork. Yes, I have looked at everything available to me historically here, especially since I seem to have gotten myself into this contraversy here where some folks seem to believe I am here as some strange catch of the day and therefore a roasting we will go. I began looking at the history of this place long before I decided to state my opinion in the Copyright forum here. I would not just scramble myself into such a heated debate without at least knowing what some of the stuff here is about, and it is nice to know who these various members are. I also like to follow certain members here historically since I fancy their artistic talents and what they offer in a place like this and what they are all about. Mind you, time restraints and fragmentation does create limitations but I haven't just started doing this yesterday, I have been here long enough to know my way around. My own words should be proof of that, but I cannot understand why this makes me "suspicious" other than some of you almost hoping I am someone else for entertainment value, probably because I sound like someone else. Mongo, this is directed at you. Please do not feel any lesser or feel I am flaming you in any way because I say this, that is not my intention. You have stated that you are a clone person and that you felt the need to do this to protect that real side of you that participates upon this art forum so that you can give opinions and be on the discussion boards without fear of retaliation or finger pointing or this interfering with your real person format here. I find it very sad that you have to do this Mongo. You, and I am sure others like you obviously feel this place very worthwhile to your needs and as well you bring value to this Art Site in many ways and it to you, yet, you find it very difficult, almost impossible to be "yourself" here because you believe you cannot be both things at once. It should not have to be this way. But I can understand, especially when stuff like this happens. I get the feeling people here are ready to string me up here just for having a voice and wishing to be a part of the community only because I come into this with a varying opinion and a suspicious way of portraying myself. LadySilverMage I have nothing against Mosca, I don't even know Mosca. I would hope you realize that any person coming to this forum even today for the first time would realize Mosca is a very signifigant person here with all the posts thrown throughout this forum by Mosca. So is it wrong to direct opinion on such a loud person here? I seem to have stepped on several toes here unwillingly, but nevertheless, I have already been told this is a bad start on my part. Again I stress, if this is how some of you folks deal with newer unknown members that wish to participate here but may be different or too outspoken, then perhaps it is understandable that this site management has its' hands full. No wonder they make mistakes and no wonder they are not quick to bother replying. Their words might only be dissected and thrown into their faces too. Good Sunday

Interesting. I have not posted for well over a day and yet I still seem to be at the center of some bit of "contravesry" here? "I'll say that BillyJ is really Dragonwalk. The overall appearance of the posts (usually short and then wallopingly verbose) and the minutiae of word choice (decent vocabulary, but spelling issues). The scattered quote marks and egocentrism strongly point to Ron Knights, but my neck hairs aren't rising with revulsion and RK has a couple of distinctive grammatical quirks which I haven't seen here. It's got to be Dragonwalk." May I please be so daring as to ask you people exactly what this is about? I am talking about this reference to me being these other members here I can find little if any info on other than a LOT of posts at another forum. I do not understand why it is that just because someone happens to be a certain way or be new and caring about what is going on here, maybe not to the same efforts as a lot of other folks here that would rather run this place down every chance they get; or perhaps fashions a certain manner in their writings; right away they have to be someone else or have other motives?? If there is a lesson to be learned here somehow, someway, maybe that not all is ALWAYS as you people would like to "announce" it to be, because I assure you I AM Billy James. Perhaps my style and passion may be similar by the way I feel and write, but I am no more this DragonWalk or this Ron Knights as I would be Bill Gates or President Bush. There sems to be this relentless fear here that anyone willing to speak up or talk with compassion towards this art forum, or be too differential to what some strongly opiniated members of this site feel IS the way things SHOULD be, then right away I would just HAVE to be someone else or have some ulterior motive other than what I try to portray with what I say. That is really sad, and it is also very "low". It just goes to show how suspicious and also fragmented some outspoken people in this place have become, and yet, on another factor, there IS also a kind of unity here which impresses me, the one where a lot of you seem to enjoy banding together to try to have your own suspicions and almost fight tooth and nail to support each others contraversy for the moment. If this kind of "team effort" could all be harnessed somehow to solve the issues here with "respect" and "dignity" for the "good" of this "site" and the "members" as a "whole" rather than play these silly games of "clue", I really do wonder what might prevail from it all. If I were to actually tell you that I happen to know for a fact that the folks that bring this place to you day after day are indeed real human beings that do care, so that you can all come here for your creative or commercial reasons or suspicious spy games or just hang and party passions, or even if you feel the need to idle here for a sense of familiarity, I am sure so many of you would find me even more pallatable as some lunatic clone person ready for roasting. Okay, I will make your days somewhat more worthwhile here. If it will make so many of you feel better, I confess that I am not Billy James at all. I am a hybrid mix of both this DragonWalk and Ron Knights, out to take over this 3D Art Forum. I am sure this should now be more than enough contraversy to last well into the new year for many of you. If this is what you need to believe, then go for it. I know who I am and it makes no difference to me whether I can prove that I am Billy James or Oscar Wylde or anyone else because I have managed to cause many of you to "think" and be selfless enough to come together and solve some weird puzzle so many of you seem to have a need to make me into. If this will make even a small difference and somehow keep bringing you folks together and just maybe even generate some positive fallout or goodwill towards the fortune of everyone here, than you people are welcome to think of me as whomever you want. As for me, I am off to view some creativity in the galleries. And if you don't mind, I will keep my name "Billy James" because I am not into Dragons or Knights as much as some of you would like to assume me to be. I hope this does not disappoint you. I don't really mind if you want to keep imaginaing me to be whomever, just don't let these thoughts hurt anyone or this site on my account, that just would not be right at all. Have a good Sunday.

I did like the sarcasm around here to a degree, but now it is getting tiresome and rather personal. I WAS under the impression this was a friendly artistic site, I am really beginning to wonder why I thought this now while I converse among some of you people. I am actually sorry that I even began to post on these forum discussion boards, because if this is how folks are treated around here by the members, I really don't want no part of this whatsoever. I feel bad for the folks that run this place, because now I can understand exactly what they have to endure from some of you here, any wonder things are the way they are. And you people have the adacity to complain about the staff here?? Look at the way some of you folks treat new members!!

I sense a lot of insecurities here many times over among some of you people. It would seem that as soon as someone comes out and has a difference of opinion from the popular folks here that like to scream or shake this joint up, then right away they are cast off as some kind of clone person or some shady member that has somehow managed to resurrect themselves as someone new for mischeivious or devious deeds. Or even worse, the hinted accusation of an admin that see's some reason to come here as someone else to rip into all the nay here and vary a difference. Are you all so naive enough to believe this? Is no one allowed to have a difference of opinion here?? I do not understand why someone cannot have a mind of their own around here without being accused of some form of shrillery. I suppose this is a way for some of you to avoid contraversy to your own ideals and beliefs about this place; is it really so important to have this art forum appear like some crooked outfit and is no one allowed to have a different opinion than you without making them out like they are some kind of shady member? Some of you folks really need to get over yourselves.