Sounds good. Like I said over on the Maya Forum, lets strip it down to the basics, so the final renders are appreciated even more!

If you want to find Bryce on Corel's site, you have to look under Products/Other Products, and then they have it on the list of all the products they make. But, they no longer offer the free trial version. I registered my Corel Essentials a year or so ago, and they just sent me a color brochure for Painter 8. So, they are trying to create new products/version, I just think they are just too far behind Adobe in all areas they are in, IMO.

AgentSmith, I hope you are right. For Bryce's sake, and for all those who have a soft spot in there hearts for it. If someone were to purchase it, add a few simple modeling elements to it, and reduce the rendering time on it a little bit, could continue to be a great app, IMHO!

Unfortunately, Corel no longer has the Demo available if you have never used Bryce before, but here are some options: Amazon.com: $189.99 full product - $89.99 upgrade Corel.com: $199.99 full product - $99.99 upgrade Kazaa.com: Free, but may or may not be the actual product, may or may not work, may contain a virus and, as with all stolen software, does not come with a manual or any instructions. Plus, since you can't register it, because you didn't pay for it, if there ever is an upgrade available (to 5.5 or 6), you will not be able to use it! All in all, if you know you want it, my advice would be, buy it from Amazon.com!

Bryce, from what I've read here, is pretty much dead in the water, as far as being a "growing" product. It has been rumored that Corel is in no hurry to much, if anything, with it. And that there are no plans for now to release any upgrades for it. It would seem that the only ones who still care, are those who use it. Which, considering the way 3D apps are growing and improving, may not be many for much longer. :(

I agree with antevark. I love the mouse and the pen. I hate going to work and using a regular mouse now... :)

elgyfu, I thought that was what you were saying, but I didn't want to assume anything. I think the word you used in place of "cat" was what threw mw off. As far as this subject goes, I have really enjoyed it. Everyone said what they want with out, for the most part, getting personal or angry. I have no problem with passion, it just shows someone cares... :)

Queri/Emily, you seem to have taken offense to my post, and replies, which was never my intent. I never meant to imply that anyone's work with Poser, or any other app for that matter, was "worthless". Also, I was not trying to "change anyone's mind" or make them "see things my way". I expressed a view, supplied further points to help express my view, the end. It's called conversation, not interragation. I am not sure what brought about this anger, but I apologize if I offended or insulted you in any way.

Elgyfu, I do not get the meaning of your statement. What does that mean?

To one and all, thank you for your replies. I do understand what you are all saying. I guess, maybe I was being slightly narrow minded about the subject. I hope no one took offense to anything I posted. Renderosity and groups such as this are fantastic and a pleasure to be a part of. Again, I appreciate the civil and intelligent conversion...take care.

Marque, I said I understood why someone might start doing this, but, in the end, I would think it would lead to being more creative. Yes, I used others models for my first pieces posted (not the castel model, that's mine). But, I very rarely use Bryce any longer and, instead, have begun creating with Maya so that I can create totally original works, based soley on my creations (which would be the latest piece I posted today) and brought to life solely by me. Can I create everything I want right now? No. I do not yet have the ability. But, then again, when I was a liitle kid I could draw at first either, but everyone has to start somewhere. Thanks for your reply.

Zorares, that is a ridiculous comparision. So you are saying that if I create a totally original piece of art, in say Maya, with only my own textures and models and no outside help whatsoever, I still have to give credit to Alias Wavefront (creators of Maya), Microsoft (creators of Windows XP), Wacom (creators of my graphics tablet) and whoever actually put my PC together? That sounds silly. I could see your point if the texture on the poser figures are being altered, the background models re-textured and manipulated and the paid for poses manipulated, but this is not the case. Therefore, no comparision can be made. Crescent, I understand the point that you making, and I do view directors as artists, but they are always part of a group. They, by the nature of there work, are hired to bring someone elses story to life. To do this they rely on actors to bring this vision alive, which they capture on film. But they do not take 15 other films and splice them together and then call it "E.T." or "Jaws". I appreciate everyone's replies, and I respect your views. I understand that some are not interested in "stretching there boundaries" or in "growing as an artist". That they have a vision, and like fast food, they want now, without being bothered by the details (no disrespect intended). I would just think that the very need for creation that drove them that far would, sooner or later, drive them to want more creative control. So they wouldn't have to say to someone, "I create this. Well, everything but the person, clothes, hair, background, light and pose." In the end, did they really create anything at all? Perhaps, perhaps not. To each his own. Take care, one and all....

SamTherapy, I understand what you are saying. And I am not trying to tell people what to do and "downing" anyone for doing it. But I truly think that, with a few exceptions, everyone of the people doing what I am talking about could, if they wanted to, create these things on there own. Thgeisel did. It would just seem to me that after awhile people would get tired of having to have there work flow decided be someone elses creativity. I would think that they would say, "I want to create this certain look, and I am tired of waiting for someone else to provide me with the parts, so I will learn to do it myself". Growth is important, but can't be achieved in a vaccum.

That's all fine and good, and really nice excuses, but not the same thing I am talking about. For movies, these are professionals that are hired to work together to create something original, using original components. Most collages I've seen are junk and so no talent, so I won't even og into that. Most the work in the Poser Gallery, a lot of which have the same credits being given over and over again, have nothing to do with originality. They are taking a female figure created by someone else, putting skin texture, lights and backgrounds around it that others cerated and acting like it is some type of original creation. My point being, once or twice is fine, but after awhile it just seems silly to me. Granted, this is just my opinion, and won't alter what others do, but it would seem that there time and money would be better spent learning to use a modeling app and photoshop so they could actually "create" something of there own.

Honestly Saxon, it sounds like a big misunderstanding, and that Kevin (kbennett) is trying to apologize and explain his actions. If he is simply enforcing the rules/guidelines that are here for us all, and has the power to do so, I do not see why you are getting so bent out of shape. I have not visited your site, but if it has less nudity than the galleries here, it sounds like the warning on your site might be over stating what is inside. Nudity and pornographic are entirely different things. Before you completely leave the site forever, you might want to take a day, calm down and then decide. Making a decision when you feel that your feelings have been hurt isn't always wise. Just a thought. Whatever your final decision is, take care.