Well, I hope someday to hear your refer to me as an Illustrator, and if I refer to you as an artist, please consider it a compliment. ;-) Emptions run somewhat high around here, especially the endless "what constitutes art" debacle. If you ever want to really get stung you're probably safer poking a wasp's nest while your feet are mired in quicksand rather than ask that question- LOL! shakes your hand and reminds herself never to post to the forums after midnight.....!

Joerg (sorry about the mis-spelling, my father's name was George, got used to "eo") Maybe it was your "vain" comment or maybe it was the way you seemed to be looking down your nose at the very people you are trying to sell to that just rubbed all my fur backward. Probably should have put a smiley after the "ashamed" comment as I usually use the particular turn of phrase in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Your arguments (I mean that in the mildest sense) are articulate and to the point and you are indeed entitled to your oppinions, just as others are entitled to theirs. I can still think it's drivel, just as you condsider most art and I use this term loosly--->"modern artists"<--- drivel. In a majority of cases I would agree with you. As for CGI, who has created a standard for this medium? It IS a medium just like paint and canvas, pencil and paper, etc. The very people you are discussing this with (in certain circles) could be considered trail-blazers of a sort in CGI. I have seen these and many others take a program that has been described as a "grown up version of paper dolls" and do amazing things with it. Is it "art"? I guess that's where I tuned in. I choose think it is. Does that make these people "artists"? As I don't follow any criteria for being an artist other than "one who creates art" I would say, yes indeed.

My favorite color is.......... plaid!

Alas, I don't have Bryce so I just had to muddle through with Poser primatives. All the props shown are neat looking, would they work in Poser?

Jeorg! You should be ashamed of yourself! That has to be the largest unmitigated piece of drivel I've had the joy to see all afternoon. You make toys that I can dress my dollies up in with one hand and insult your very customer base with the other??? Kind of like talking out both sides of your face there, eh? I had noticed someone making these wonderful textures for your product the other day and had just about decided it was a "must-have" until I read this. You can personally think anything you like about me or my "art", but if you wish to sell me something- don't rub my nose in it.

This all makes an evil kind of sense now. Refer to post #77 above. It's one of the seven deadly sins. There's a book on the subject, perhaps someone should read it........

Thank You Quagnon! I wasn't going to post any more on the subject, but your delightful and clear statement of the facts as I saw them made me feel less like I was pounding my widdle fists on the ground for no reason. The only thing I can see that should sadden all of us now is that the main entity that should be reading/listening to these posts - isn't. Even though some of us are not merchants, this breech of faith and trust affects anyone who ever spent a dime in the marketplace.

I did it once by mapping a water texture I had on hand to a Poser cylinder and playing with the transparency. You can add splashes and such in postwork. Hope that helps a little! Mags

I've been Flaxynn as long as I've been here. Tim doesn't have to chase me down to find me. I am just a little fishy and I know he can flush me whenever he gets tired of feeding me and use my bowl for a planter. I have seen a lot of the shit-storms that fly around here and just put up my umbrella most of the time, but this one.... Awe- fuggeddaboudit................I'm pissing on a forestfire.

I see this thread's been toodling along under it's own steam all night and not once has the viper that started it crawled out from under his rock and made a statement.... I really do have one other thing to drag behind me when I leave---MY WALLET. Of course that could lead to this site not having a free membership.....or is that what the viper was after all along???

Well, In all good conscience I have to say I have never seen ClintH ever be out and out rude to anyone. Others I can't say that about. Despite the fact that the "policy" was targeted toward the Merchant area only a fool would think that it doesn't affect us all. (Even if it only affects our buying habits) I've been called many things in my life, but foolish and stupid weren't among the terms. Avalonne, put on yer asbestos undies and night vision goggles... ;-)

I think the whole things boils down to one concept--- GREED.

Thanks, Fur, it wouldn't apply to "me" anyways as I am not a merchant here, although that situation might have changed in the future. This "policy" was brought up in the early morning- I think- and implimented by that very afternooon. IMHO why throw the whole thing open to debate when the minds (and I use that term loosely) of those in charge of this policy were already made up anyway???? I don't know this place anymore. I haven't been here but off and on for a few days and "Shazam!" half my friends are gone or pissed. I don't have anything to drag behind me when I leave except myself and some piddly pictures that some purists don't believe is art anyhow. I recall a time in the not too distant past when I was so proud and happy and honored (yes, I felt honored) to be a member here. Now I just want certain people to take their fights and their attitudes to a different sandbox, you're getting sand in my hair. The problem is they run the joint...... This is just wrong.

I have tried to keep quiet about this but I just can't. Let me get this straight 1) If I am a merchant I will be allowed to sell my merchandise here as long as I have no affiliation with other sites or happen to own my own. 2) If I am a merchant here and I DO happen to be affiliated with or own another site I will still graciously be allowed to contribute monetarily by selling my products here, but will not be allowed access to the tools that other merchants are allowed as I would automatically be considered untrustworthy???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That is the sentiment I am getting from this thread- We are created equalalthough some are more equal than others.. In two words I can say I believe That Blows just about sums it up for me. If you cut your nose off to spite your face you look awfully funny when you brush your teeth in the morning.

I think it's great!! Now you'll have another thing to keep you up all night- LOL! ;-)