I'm not sure, that was my first copy, the box & cd off ebay, which seemed to crash winxp systems, so when they gave p5 for free that one time, I just use that exe and the serial from the box thing. It's funny I still use p5 sometimes for nostalgic fun, the firefly engine back then had a weird crispness to it, like it's contrast values set a little to high or something.

@JoePublic great story, I knew I wasn't alone

Really good points, even the DS one. If they want the like 80 people that use poser to stay though, it used to be 100, look at Ableton Live. So incredibly successful. Imagine having THAT cash, bondware, with the caveat that you have to allow for certain things(big boy pants that understands humanity).

Ableton live was able to do a lot of what it did because protools started using ilok(that 3rd party anti-piracy bs company) in addition to the software improvements, they passed protools.

It's quite possibly the best software ever made, it's versatile, non-invasive, allows purchases from the parent company with addons. Online activation is quick but they also have an offline activation(seriously). They even let me upgrade using some silly split it company so I didn't have to pay for that upgrade in a giant chunk. Learn the lesson, Bondware, adapt or devolve into a subscription service no one will remember.

I say this because I'm frustrated, we don't have to accept decisions made by people that have no idea what goes on down here. All they see is a powerpoint chart. Some might wonder why a DAW is being compared to a 3d barbie program. I'll tell you. Not everyone is just one thing, I draw, I write stories, I make songs. Some lady might be a mom and a sister and daughter and a teacher, it's a weird correlation... As software goes, the point is to allow a person to express themselves by creating art, it's a tool, and the better tools remain over time. I just can't see making decisions that would hedge out the handful of people left vs the millions of legitimate copies of Ableton live.

Anyone know of a good place to start with learning blender? :D

When Adobe went down it's dark path, I picked up Affinity and grabbed gimp. I'm the customer, not the slave, I say where my money goes. 9 days is a completely ridiculous thing. Ableton live prefers you use the online activation but they have an offline activation, and after that you're good to go. I mean we're talking about choices a company makes here, and we've seen the bad ones(I saw someone point out Vue). We should sue adobe for what we paid for p8-10. We should also be able to turn off any feature in any software if we bought it.

I realize I'm a bit mad, given how human beings have less rights can do that to a person especially when a piece of software says 'I won't work unless I can...do something online'. I mean that seems much wore like malware than anything. My version of p11 was installed on 2/11/2021, it's only done this twice. If the 9 days thing is correct, in the last 18 days. Whoever runs support answered me and they say this 'feature' is a part of P10/pro onward. So I think 'hey I'll just use 9', except the library thang...

I guess it's time to grow up and learn blender and leave the action figure program where it belongs, in the dust... Out of touch corporate decisions have ruined yet another perfectly good product. Dear asteroid, we're ready, thanks.

Thank you so much

I tried to clarify that with the first part of my post, windows :)

I used to beta for rdna, and went diving into the folder of goodies and lo and behold I did indeed have semidieu's file manager and it does in fact work in poser pro 2010, yay. It has known issues but those are specific to the limits of poserpython and not the author's awesome hard work. I think I'm going to learn poser python, there is clearly a need, which is in the ballpark of my resolution this year to learn to model in blender.

Yeah, I tried the poser.ini edit fix and my p pro 2010 still said there was a fault detected, kinda hard to use poser without a library

I was wondering if a 3rd party library manager would work, I can't remember his name, he did the Poser File Editor thing, but I due to my antipathy for anything adobe, I'd spend money on a working library...

Awesomeness!

I'm not really sure i want to delve into addons yet, if it's anything like plugins for photoshop, as cool as they are, it's better to learn base functionality, eyecandy later, lol

I am going to spin thru the rosity tutorials thru the holidays, I think we'll all be ready for something seriously fun mid Jan? A lot of people are probably outta town right now anyway

thanks, so it's like poser in that regard, good to know

easy potential challenges; the pirate chest, the elevator, southparkian Canadian, the pillow bomb(things with a simple moving part)

nod That makes total sense, the most 'positive' learning thus far has been in wings, but something about blender (animation, Lux, etc) has piqued my interest and it seems a more logical learn, since at my novice level getting 'imprinted' by software is right around the corner if it hasn't already happened...;-)

I really liked the carrara had the trackball bit like poser, but the 'room switching' totally, well, frustrated me, which led me back to wings and furthered the idea of keeping the modeling in the modeler, but maybe blender can indeed be the bridger

Thank you for responding!

A woman has the choice to continue or end a pregnancy, the man has no voice and yet he is financially liable for a moment they both chose. The edifice (the manface/tree) is the system that has grown rank and corrupt and has the righteousness to say it can not be changed. The rabbit had the misfortune of being born male in a certain forest (country) and is now without choice and enslaved for 18 years for being nice to someone. Legally extorted, his right to liberty, the pursuit of happiness, all of it, gone because of a woman taking away his choice, that rabbit lost his privelige to drive because of this and might go to jail, which is taxpayer money, even though the woman admitted she does need the money. It's about revenge.

A child needs to be the choice of both parents, nothing good can come of a child being born 2 people venting steam(as in no relationship). The argument that everyone falls back on is this 'Well, you did engage in sex, so yer guilty!'  This is the argument of a mentally retarded person using kindergarten justice. The only thing I am guilty of is the exact opposite of manslaughter.
The accidental creation of life, and that should have a seperate finite penalty due to sexual negligence, and yet the choice to continue the pregnancy is not mine, er the rabbits...;-)

Remember the radical says burn down the forest, the reactionary says kill the rabbits, everyone else doesn't care until it's them. We need to start caring so nothing overly rash is done.

I apologize fer the soapbox, but this is wrong and needs to be changed

agreement with thunderstone(how is it going?!:-), but this subject matter and subsequent challenge entries might b offensive in philosophy (tolerance of the free will of others is a unicorn, a mythical beautiful creature hunted and killed by humans;-) and maybe even in the TOS thang, as they r not happy n fluffy

I will do my best though, on both counts

melikia "~Joyful Abandon~" 3pts
Jellybone "Frozen Canal Winter 2009" 2pts
Twopynts "Radiant Matter" 1 pts

Funny how an entire challenge slips by,

I'm gonna really try on the next one cat on drapes

Awesome eclectica of entries
(yes, I bent yet another word; encyclopedia ______, battlestar _____)

I think I have that very mesh you posted a pic of and experienced that
points @ that while jumping up and down
it was soooooOOOoooo frustrating!

did you find a fix for the exploded.ness?