Ok I've had another try to understand the positives.

First image V3, Very old texture, my standard light set up of one infinite light and one spot, shadows set to 75% on both.

Second Image same set up, a bit ice creamy and lacking the shadows but not particularly horrible either.

Is one better than the other, I'm open to suggestions, and don't forget I've only been trying GC for a few hours. Very quick to set up but not too sure of the benefits yet. Sorry if the images are a bit big but I wanted them to be clear and I'm not too up on posting images to the forums, took me a while to figure it out.

Cheers.

Well it's my understanding that GC in Pro 2010 is just a check box that twiddles the node settings, that's point and click. I don't have Pro2010 and if there's more to it, like you have to have an understanding of Math to get it to work in Pro2010 then it's not much of a selling point.

I don't mean to be facetious but I get the impression that it's the latest toy and everyone who doesn't buy the toy is lame.....all of a sudden:)

Back again, just spent some time doing GC v Non GC renders using Bantha's Wacro which seems to be endorsed by Bagginsbill on the thread where you can download it.

Pros:- Very quick to apply to a figure using the Wacro, it's something that you could use without it becoming an issue.

Cons:- To be honest I wasn't overly impressed by the result, the Wacro works fine, I don't mean the python scripting, what I mean is that the textures seemed to wash out too much even after lowering the lights to compensate. When I lowered the lights even further to aleviate the wash out, the whole scene seemed too murky. On first try it was a bit too much like VSS which I don't use due to the washed out waxy look it gives to skin shaders.

On the whole I find the Real Skin Shaders do a much nicer job and will probably continue to use them, when I render in Poser, as GC ing and VSS doesn't produce anything like a good result for me.

Also on the newer V4 M4 etc textures the nodes seem to be set up to give a Real Skin Shader type of result, so to me GC and VSS are not really necessary and don't give as good a result.

I used a plain old V3 skin to do my tests and the effort to compensate for the wash out of GC and to try to put some decent shadows back into the image seemed to negate GC ing in the first place.

As for the mathematically correct argument, well I don't like maths and have no interest in it. If the programme can't do the maths properly in the first place then that's down to Poser. I don't need to buy Pro 2010 as I have other applications in which I do most of my renders, and maybe that's why I don't render much in Poser these days except for tests to get things set up.

I gave it a try but I'm unimpressed by the results I was getting, perhaps I'm doing it wrong but if so then it's a bit of a time waste as there are quicker ways to acheive better results for me.

If it works for you then that's great, I really mean that.

Cheers.

Thanks kirwyn, 

GC looks very effective on the image you have posted and I can see it being of value in particular renders. I'll have to investigate the node setup as I'm working in P8.

Cheers :)

Kirwyn, can I ask a serious question, I'm not being funny or awkward, does the figure on the right have VSS applied?

Just my 2cents, the image on the left looks better to me, the image on the right leans toward those images you see where the poster hasn't worked to get decent shadows on the image.

Just my take, bye:)

There's a significant improvement in IDL render quality (on my pc), which is what I've been waiting for. Also everything seems stable so far. I'll have to spend more time on it to see if anything crops up but so far so good. Thumbs up for the IDL improvement.

Hi Fugazi1968,

I too would be interested in clothes making tutorials, I also have 3D Coat and would like to see a good explanation of how it works at a simple, useable level for making clothes and props for rendering in Poser. The tutorials that are done for 3D Coat already don't explain things very well I feel, but that could just be me not clicking with it.

I suspect most people here can whip up a T Shirt or something easy when they need to but it's the details like William The Bloody said that don't get explained. Like making a good collar, or attaching believable pockets etc.

If you do any tutorial I'll certainly view it:)

I just tried it for something to do and I can verify Dr Geeps method, it renders trans hair in Silhouette just fine for me. Also I checked anti ailias in the preview render settings and that seems ok too.

Unfortunately I don't have a magnet to fit the shoes to her feet, I just used a magnet to pull the sides out to make them look right. It's a case of lining one of the shoes up and scaling/rotating etc to get a good close fit, then copying the parameters to the other shoe to mirror the position before parenting them to her feet.

Here's a pic of Antonia with B-Mans S3 High Heels, no magnet this time, just positioned and parented.

This is a splendid model, really well made and very pretty and normal looking, and the textures are perfect too, nice work odf and Saint Fox.

Hi,

I use Hexagon and I make an amount of my own props and clothing for Poser for my own use.

It seems to work quite well with Poser and hasn't caused me any issues.

Pretty much any modelling application that exports obj files (all if not most of them) will do the trick.

I also suspect that the higher end, the modelling application is, the more you'll get out of it.

Having said that, there are some free ones that have good reviews and many people use them.

I'd download the demos and see which one you like.

Cheers,

Wow, those are really nice, I'll have to investigate, the different rendering styles are something I've never really gotten into yet.

Thanks for posting Anthanasius, your explanations were not at all nerdlike and your idl images were very nice.

Try Lab108 by Zippo, he's got a lot of great freestuff and much for the office.

http://lab108.x0.com/lab108/