" When you scream at the broker to send a DCMA takedown notice to the torrent site they will tell you that it's "not their job"."

I don't know about the other brokerages but I know that both Daz and Renderosity are very good about trying to deal with that sort of thing. I say "try" because short of driving to where ever the person who runs the site lives and going in and smashing the machine with the files on it most of them just put things right back up again.

"They might be if Daz has them sign a contract..."

I have never heard of anyone signing a contract with any of the brokerages in the 8+ years I have been doing content creation. I would guess there are potentially staffing contracts done by brokerages but that isn't the same thing. Exclusivity is expected at Daz for most products (which is not the same as the content creator selling there exclusively) and that may hold true for Hive wire as well. Others strongly encourage exclusive products for obvious reasons. How far a brokerage will go to try to encourage exclusive sales through that brokerage varies, but most simply go on a product by product basis with no really benefits to having all your eggs in a single basket other than those that you get from not splitting potential sales at a variety of places.

You sure it was for criticism? After all his grudge goes back something like 10 years so its against Dan and Chris not anyone at Daz now. Maybe it was really for trying to drum up business for a competing brokerage he wants to launch? He could try that here and see if it flys better but I doubt it.

It only decreases competition if there are fewer content providers producing. If the number of producers remains the same, no matter how many brokerages they are spread across, then the competition is still the same. So unless a slew of Runtime content producers suddenly step out of the industry then nothing much changes other than their location.

What gets moved over will move over as is I think. Many of the vendors from RDNA have stores at Daz already so they are aware of how things work. Anyone who feels wobbly starting out is sure to get plenty of offers of help. I'm not sure what the procedure will be if they want to update promos or products. It is a bit early to conjecture any way since I doubt if all of the Runtime folk have decided how they want to move forward.

It is important to not overlook the changes to how sss/translucence are handled if you do any surfaces that use them though. I'm not sure that genesis 3 came with an Iray set up which might explain why it has not been updated unlike v7 etc.

Looks very cool! The eye settings are particularly lovely.

Icprncess, I made a guess and I stated as much. It was not an "aspersion" unless your implying something about them that I was not. I am sure they believed that cutting the amount of content available to their customers was the way to go forward. That they continue to do that even without the excuse of proprietary, and with all the freely available information on site statistics and content popularity, to continue to exclude Daz figures says worlds more however.

By the way, you can say my name rather than "the poster" when your looking to cast a few aspersions of your own.

DreaminGirl posted at 9:52PM Wed, 18 November 2015 - #4239419

This argument is moot anyway, as it's just a matter of time before content released at Daz will be connect only. At that point it won't matter if Poser supports Genesis or not, you won't be able to use it anywhere but Studio. I think that says it all.

And that is nothing but bs conjecture.

"And, this thread is a perfect example of why Poser users have abandoned Renderosity in droves."

If they did they have not shown up anywhere else in droves...

I wouldn't say ego really.. My personal guess is that at a meeting someone said "but do we want to do something that might help another company" and the answer was "no" so they refused the offer. Which is ironic really when you think about it because Daz very much wanted (and I suspect expected) to be inclusive with Genesis and Poser. After that they felt sort of locked into a less than ideal stance. I think at the time they did see content for poser users as very important and for Daz content is still the most important factor as a company. Other wise they would never have worked on a system to try and get the figures into Poser. That choice really did start a change in the landscape for product support. Non inclusion of the Daz figures made everyone start looking at the numbers as far as sales and support. Had Poser included Genesis then I doubt that ever would have happened for many content creators. It would have been (and I think Daz felt very much it would be) a win win for both companies. Daz continues to be able to support poser customers more fully and SM would have had solid content that was well supported and taking much of the stress off of them as far as figure creation goes. SM would also have been able to coat tail on a fair bit of Daz marketing as well. There is a reason companies that might seem competitive work together. It can often be beneficial to everyone. One example would be Daz and Unity. They both sell content but Unity also understands that more content for their customers to use helps potentially expand the customer base.

If being honest makes me a troll.. Well nothing you can do about that. Your right Razor. Daz is pragmatic about all of this and would be happy to work with SM. SM though I think is coming from an emotional place. To the determent of themselves and at least a fair portion of their remaining customer base. They could have had free marketing and free R&D but fear that they might help the "competition" prevented them from reaping those rewards.

Boni posted at 7:08PM Wed, 18 November 2015 - #4239362

I am not here to create a flame war by any means ... but it was never SM's choice to not support Genesis. It was DAZ's who owns Genesis technology and DSON. Just to be clear here.

I'm not sure what it would be called other than a choice. The Poser team was offered the tech to support Genesis before Genesis was released and they didn't choose to. DSON was developed later by Daz because people wanted to use the figures in Poser. They also knew what they would need to do to support genesis 3 while they were working on this version of Poser and did not.

Maya and 3dmax both support Dual Quaternion which is what Poser would have needed to support for people to use Genesis 3.

There is nothing propitiatory about the way the genesis 3 figures are set up and it was created to be more easily integrated into the wider industry. SM chose not to support those wider industry standards. They also chose not to integrate the initial genesis figures for what ever personal reasons.