Bye then.

I really should be getting paid for this.

... and remember, pumeco is always right, even if you don't like him

For Poser 12, I think they should set themselves just two goals:

• Easy to use, modern motion designer and timeline.
• Realtime PBR display for the viewport.

Add those, then annonce that Poser is back in the animation game, and Poser's popularity with increase dramatically.

Anyway, getting a bit off-topic there.

Regards Poser and the Poser team, I sincerely wish them the very best and hope they spot the glaring problem regards the animation situation. I honestly think Poser is doomed if they don't see to the animation side of things.

pumeco

Male_M3dia posted at 6:49AM Tue, 04 April 2017 - #4301501

False, Earl. Let's not do this today. And let's not do a blender-maya-max software war either.

Why do you think Clarkie was starting a software war? He made a perfectly fair comment.

There is no war to be had there, Blender already won that war the moment it became Open Source. Nothing can compete with Open Source packages like Blender, simply because, it can never be taken away from any of us, and all of use are free to develop it. The future is bright for those who learn to use Blender. The opposite is true for those who throw precious cash down the drain, hanging-on to dinosaurs.

Blender users have the advantage they can have any feature they like in Blender. They have the freedom to do it though, for example, crowdfunding any plugin they wish, and they don't need permission from anyone or any company to do so. No single person or entity owns Blender, it belongs to all of us, and that's a major part of why people are prepared to invest the time to learn it.

It's a major part of it's success, you cannot loose by learning Blender.

RorrKonn posted at 2:30AM Tue, 04 April 2017 - #4301483

No you don't need a master degree on a peace of paper but you need the equivalent of one to run Maya ,Blender.

You can not compare Blender to Maya .Maya is better buy miles period. Maya is a Pro App ,Blender is a toy.

RorrKonn, you should spend more time in the real world. I get that Max and Maya users must have high blood pressure at the thought of it, but I'm afraid the reality of the situation is going to hit every one of them sooner or later. Max and Maya are dinosaurs, and like all dinosaurs, they are to become extinct or dwindle in numbers. The Dodo comes to mind.

Blender a toy?

Hmmm ... tell you what then mate, think of anything you like that is 3D related, search YouTube for a Blender tutorial on it, and you shall find. People who attack Blender are usually in denial because either (A) they simply cannot get their head around it or (B) they think it's wise to keep propping-up Autodesk. There is nothing you can do in Max or Maya that cannot be done in Blender, or at least a 'pro' cannot do in Blender. To call Blender a toy demostrates you haven't a clue how powerful it is. Blender evolves faster than any other 3D package in existence, you're even using a part of Blender in Poser. And due to the Open Source nature of it all, it is unstoppable and will continue to get even stronger. They're currently upgrading Blender with a realtime PBR viewport and a new interface design as well. This will bring the power of Blender to even more people, especially those who are currently overwhelmed at it's power and it's interface.

Look around you. The monopoly days of seeing the names "Max" and "Maya" pasted all over the forums are long gone. These days, it's mostly "Blender" you see, because when most poeple want to get something done, they find themselves turning to the mighty Blender.

3D-Mobster posted at 1:55AM Tue, 04 April 2017 - #4301468

Just curios what improvement would you like to see to the animation tools? are you talking interface or functionality?

Both. I'd like to see iClone-style animation tools in Poser, because they're intuative and would put Poser back on the animators shopping list. You only need to compare iClone's motion-design tools to Poser's ancient Walk Designer to see where there are serious lackings. And the timeline and graph editor functionality of Poser is just plain old, outdated, and clunky.

Poser has far better rendering options, far better figure handling, and far better figure-tech than iClone. Poser also has a fantastic Morph Brush (you'd probably die laughing if you saw the iClone version), and Poser figures are customisable in ways that are simply not possible in iClone. iClone's Character Creator looks nice, but once you start using it you discover a few nasties and limitations. Speaking of "Toys", iClone is a toy compared to Poser, but that makes it all the more unbearable because Poser is only being held back by its outdated animation tools.

It's hilarous.

I think anyone who is prepared to learn one of the larger packages should just learn Blender. Blender users always have the advantage of not needing to recoup the costs of a package like Max or Maya. As was predicted many years ago, Blender is crushing the competition (which is no surprise at all). My prediction for the future is that the likes of Max and Maya will slowly but surely die off, and those companies will be forced into creating plugins for the mighty Blender.

That said, I do genuinely want to see Poser succeed regardless of what happens with the other packages. There's an attraction to Poser the others just don't have, so I'd hate for it to die. They really do need to look into the future a lot more than they appear to have been doing. The problem with large campanies buying-up products like Poser is that they all do the same thing, they basically milk it for what they can and ditch it. Wolf's comment is stereotypically dangerous, it's the same one that has been accepted for far too long and is why Poser isn't up to date with it's animation tools.

Wrong attitude.

If they don't hire someone who understands why the animation side is vital to a product like Poser, they will continue to fail as people flock to programs like iClone. What the Poser developers should be doing is asking themselves how they can not only bring back the custom they've lost to Reallusion, but also how to steal Realluison's customers away from them - customers they never had in the first place (due to the sorry animation situation).

The alternative is to sit on their asses kidding themselves that animation has nothing to do with people flocking to iClone. I'm sorry to break this to everyone but I'm afraid it does. I mean it's not as if Reallusion were sucking-up the customers like a sponge though it's old render tech, now was it. No sir, it was sucking-up the customers cause people want to animate instead of been tied to stills all the time. People often want to tell stories with their figures in the form of a movie, a short, an "animation" - so it's about time Smith Micro got it's ass into gear and realised this.

RorrKonn posted at 4:01PM Mon, 03 April 2017 - #4301440

MSconti Never ever ever wait on a app to get what you want "just ask truespacers" .get the app that already has what you want. If you want animation .the only choices you have are

1 reallusion

2 unity or unreal .need a master degree in Texturing & rigging n animation. fairly high learning curve.

3 main app's like Blender or Maya. Very Very high learning curve ya need a masters degree in main 3D app's. You need a 3D crew along with a 3D studio n a buddget of $300,000.00.

So basically your only animation choice is reallusion.Now you know why 99% of homegrown CGI'ers only render stills.

RorrKonn, I sincerely do appreciate the advice, but honestly?

I would not purchase anything from Reallusion ever again, and I strongly recommend no one else does either. They refuse to stand by even thier own dictation. Further than that, they recently cut-off my access to download products I paid for. An act that is going to cost them dearly when you consider I'm going to file for £1000 per day of blocked access. They're stopping me working on projects, costing me money, and they're ignoring my communication with them.

One of the hazards of buying DRM protected products I guess, but hey, they'll learn.

Now then Sam, you're right of course but I did sign up here on April 1st.

Yeah, it's pumeco here, just thought I'd visit old friends, see how everyone's doing and perhaps cause a little friendly chaos as well

Anyway, before I get banned again, I have to ask, do ever upload stuff you perform with that axe of yours? I saw a street performer with an axe just like that a few weeks back, he was performing the video at the link ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJS3xnD7Mus

Sounded absolutely great and the shoppers were definitely impressed.

Great song, very catchy played with mild distortion!

EClark1894 posted at 12:55PM Mon, 03 April 2017 - #4301400

I'm not sure Iclone is where I would be dipping my toes for the first time if I'd never tried animation before either.

I wish to avoid iClone if possible. For one it's lacking ERC, and there's always the wonderful Blender if I'm feeling daring. I am curious about what you would use if you would not use iClone. I recall you mention Blender, but surely Blender would not be for beginner animators. Do you have another program in mind, ideal for animators?

wolf359 posted at 10:10AM Mon, 03 April 2017 - #4301386

anyone who is serious about Character animation is already using Iclone or Motionbuilder.(I use Iclone)

Exactly, and that is the problem, people appear to be moving to iClone due to it's animation tools. So in order to stop this mass exodus, Poser surely needs to up it's game and cater for the animators, as does DAZ Studio. The alternative is that Poser and DAZ Studio could both ignore the glaringly obvious lack of quality animation tools, and let iClone wipe them out.

I'd rather that didn't happen because I prefer Poser and the Poser interface.

You'd be surprised how many scammers there are out there. Being a Private Investigator I get to see the less obvious stuff, too.

Those 'Bank of Uganda' style scams as we call them, have been doing the rounds for some time. But what might surprise you even more, is that leaks are made as to the reasons intentionally. This is to pull you into a false sense of security. For example, Sam reads that they are intentionally bad to weed out all but the rubes. But look at it another way, which might not be so obvious at first glance. After reading such a thing, someone needing the cash bad enough, will try to scam the scammers, thinking they have the upper hand in the matter by pretending to be dumb. I can tell you it hardly ever pays off for those trying to scam the scammers. The scammers nearly always win no matter what society in general would have you believe.

I know of at least three scammers on these forums alone, thankfully all now banned from here, they used to haunt these and other forums on a regular basis. The member 'Visionist', who we codenamed 'Bluebottle' and cautioned over five years ago, was a professional stalker, blackmailer etc. The member 'Aramaxus', who we codenamed 'Danger Mouse' and caught around the same time, was part of an extortion racket. The member 'Pumeco', a charmer we codenamed 'Silk Tongue' and cautioned a few days back, has his very own darknet-based mafia of sorts. An interesting thing about Aramaxus was his method, and his hacking skills. He would use a single, constantly changing handle to hide his practices. I know some serious hackers who to this day, still have no clue as to how he managed to work some of the stuff he pulled off.

Then you have the 'trust' scams as we call them, which appear to be the most common right now. These are where your trust is gained. You are then put in a position of responsibility, and the scam is pulled. There is always a reason you become the one responsible for any 'damages' they shall seek. That, right there, is the scam in a nutshell. The scam that Sam has encountered in his email, would technically be considered a hybrid of the two.

Now I could tell people to stay away from scams, but the truth of the matter is, even the smartest of us are easy pickings for some of the scammers out there. I've never been scammed myself, but I'm quite prepared to accept that it's only a matter of time until it happens.

Hornet3D, thank you, although I'm not sure whether I'm pleased to hear that or not.

I hope Poser is continued. I do love Poser despite it's obvious animation limitations right now. I wonder if the new Smith Micro developers will read this forum? I hope they do, and if they see this, I beg of you, please do something about the animation toolset in Poser. Comparing Poser to iClone, Poser wins in all respects apart from animation. iClone appears to be growing substantially, while Poser appears to be dying if the general consensus is anything to go by. I wonder why? The only thing iClone has over Poser is it's animation toolset, so maybe it's time to smell the roses and put Poser on the animation map, where surely should be!

Poser, THE figure animation tool, right?

Make it so, then take my money!