Quote - Delete the files in this directory

C:ProgramDataPoser Pro10

it ran!

thanks!

i searched for into the FAQ and user manuel, but din't fond it there.

yes, in europ, computer pieces are more expensive (add more than 20% to US prices)

maybe the material room of pp2014 is better auto-setupped  than in poser2012 and it is not a bad thing.
As i am also, a python developer, i do believe the compiling of Poser in python 2.7 is a hight point too for the quick render. Maybe in poser 2014 we will have a python 2.8 compiler .exe or even a python 3 !! let's dream....
Maybe the developer team has even recode some hard part of the render engine...

but, the most importing thing is i just get at least a 35-50% gain time in my render  for just 225€ (about 200$). i don't know whyt, but amazon.fr sell full version of Poser 2014 at the price of the update (even less expensive than the update from pp2012). Thanks amazon!

One thing is sure, we DO need a real and serious benchmark for Poser.
If someone have the time tio build a scen with many thing and free object and figure, it will be pleased.

well,

i'm considering me already lucky. now, bying a 990x is a little to high because poser was the lone software i need to make quicker. and i did.

Mybe if i find a 980x less expensive, i will found into love but, not a 990x, not now anymore.

i see in your back line, you use Vue2014. in y old day, while i used poser6, people told me to use Vue to render my poser scene because vue render engine was faster than poser one. is it again true ? People also said than importing poser scene into Vue was quite easy because Poser6 and Vue are from the same editor (e-frontier) and require no retouch in vue, just the press render button to push. is it true again with p2014 and vue2014 ?

Putting character in a landscape (instead a photoshop retouch simple image) is another step for my creative activity (and hobbies).

Vue was my first choice, but since, i discovered Lumion v4 and that software seem very very very impresive and easy to use. But i don't know how it can manage using poser scene or figure. But it can importe collada and poser can export too....so... hope.

i'd just saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsK7nzlGgW8

and it blowed my mind and make me dream to import Poser figure and animation into lumion...

Attached Link: Aikoscence 2014 (hidden'sister of Gaara)

yep i tried directly the sr3 26066.

and by the way, for the french like me, and the european one, poser pro 2014 is only 225€ on amazon.fr, the full version, not the update at all. what a great price !

i can't believe with less 300€, i have twice my render speed....very impressive!

what will be pp2016.......i'm still waiting and wishing and begging for cuda nvidia or opencl support in firefly render ...

for whom wants to have more information about my hardware and hesitate to poser pro 2014, here my details :

cpu : i7-975X at normal 3.3GHz   4cores and 8 threads
mb : simple asus p6T classic, not even the deluxe one
ram : 12GB corsair trichannel 3x2 modules
ssd : samsung 840 (simple one, not the pro, neither sata 3, juste sata2
os : win 7 x64 pro (corp)
and i just migrate from poser pro 2012 sr3 to poser pro 2014 sr3 and gain mainly 50% in my render process.

What a cheap world in this software...i wonder if people at maya or 3ds community hadsuch speed improvrements from  a older version to a newer. maybe, but certainly not at only 250€ !

Good job smith micro and e-frontier old one....

well...i am stomached! or i dream or i'm dead

i contact the smith technical support and they said i can buy it and have the 30 Day Money Back Guarantee. so i did it.

and i installed pp2014 on the same machine, same SSD than pp2012 and i just finish so little test that let me in a orgasmic state.

first, here my render option :

in poser 2012 i rendered a classic scene (for me), it took 1min52

that one:
http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test1_aikoscence_a_2012.png

i did it more thant twice. and in poser 2014 it took 1m12 (gain 40s, almost 50% of time). My render is in 1920x1080

here the 2014 rended picture, i can see there is little different light and glide in the hair but it doesn't bore me.

http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test1_aikoscence_a_2014.png

then i decided to use a higher scene, so i choose a very close face pose.

this other render took 4min22 in poser 2012

in poser 2014, it took only 2min08 !!!!!!!! less than 50% of the time ! what's the hell ! am i dead ?

here the image of the render in p2014. You can see there is a difference (or bug) in the eye light and somewhere else on the skin. That do not bore me neither.

http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test2_aikoscence_b_2014.png

Then i did a third test : simple animation.

i choose to render a 480p video, 30 images, in opengl render (not firefly like previous test).

in poser 2012, it took 45s to render with avi xvid 64bits codec with 100% quality and motion blur activated.

This file :

http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test4_animation_with_xvid64bits100quality_2012.mp4

Then in poser 2014 it took....

well first problem, poser 2014 doesn't have the video codec anymore, so i can't render my 64bits xvid video (where i used hardware compression with cuda).

then i decided to use no compression avi and it took 28s !

P2014 did the same job with no codec in less time (not 50% but 10s of gain)

here the video file :
http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test4_animation_no_xvid64_2014.mp4

i gone back to pp2012 to redo the animation without xvid, in uncompressed avi, and it took 46s which is almot the same render time with hardware acceleration xvid64

here the file :

http://www.michael-remy.fr/poser_2012_versus_2014/test4_animation_no_xvid64_2012.mp4

in another test, i decided to unbury the old poser benchmark we can find there :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2732765&page=3#203580672

in poser 2012, it took  23s and in poser 2014 it tooks 25s. So poser2014 failed here, or it didn't managed to do it better than 2012.

poser 2012

poser 2014 rendered benchmark (quite the same, i did not notice any difference)

This scene have many figures whereas my test1 test2 and animation have only one figure. Maybe it is the problem where p2014 is not improved there. Moreover, there is no idl use.

In my 2nd test (with big girl eyes), i use ray (see the light in the eyes), then p2014 splashed all and gains more 50% on p2012.

so .........what to think anymore......

i guess i will not have a 50% gain by changing my CPU, specially not for only 250€$ !

Well i think i will keep p2014 and do no cancel my 30day period!

I will do other tests, but these are really means for me.

Quote - Going from an i7 classic (920?) to an i7-4xxx should get you a 100% increase, probably more!

not really

i am in i7-975x and i can only go to 6core i7-990X  --->33% of gain for less than 800$ the cpu

going from i7-975x old hardware to newer i7-4770 (without extreme cpu) costs  more than 800$ (motherboard+memory+cpu...)  and only to gain 10% of speed

going from i7-975x old hardware to newer 6core cost more than 800$ (maybe 1500$) (motherboard+memory+cpu...) and the 6cores cpu is even more expensive and i'm nt sure there is a 2x factor of performance gain.

you see, i'd better to go to 6core i7-990X (or lower i7-980 6 cores) to gain 25 or 33% of speed for less of 800$.

changing memory to another one won't bring me 10% of speed

changing video card to newer neither

changing ssd to newer not at all (i'm stuck at sata2)

i can change only the CPU or the software to hope gain 10% (software) or 33% (hardware)

in one hand the software costs 250$ for 10% of assured speed, and in the other hand 800$ for 33% gain .

if i render a animation wo take 60min :

• changing software will take 50min for the render

• changing the cpu will take 40min to render at least

so i have to be sure of the gain time of poser 2014 render engine compared to the old poser 2012 render engine

a trial version would be pleased for me to test....

thanks for all you replies.

does anyone here have both poser 2014/10 and 2012/9  to make a test on a same example scene ?

As i said, the main point for me is money, i don't need other feature of pp2014/10 else the quicker render.

solution 1 : around 800$  if i upgrade my cpu, i will gain in global 33% of speed (by passing from 8 thread 3.33GHz to 12 thread to 3.33Ghz)

solution 2 : around 250$ : i f i upgrade the poser software, you said i might (not sure..) gain between 10 and 20% of speed.

solution 1 : 10% of gain costs 266$

solution 2 : 10% costs 250$ in least case (and 125$ in best case)

i am in an "no way" street because i have an old hardware architecture (core i7 classic), so if i upgrade the whole hardware (mb+cpu+ram) to the last architecture core i7-4xxx then i will gain at least 10% with exact same core/thread and frequency but it will cost more than 800$.

in other way , going to 6cores/12thread at 3.3Ghz costs me 800$ for the only cpu piece whereas in a whole new architecture (Core i7-4960X) would cost 1500$ to change the whole hardware (except storage and video card of course).

i can't render anywhere else Poser because i do render animations, (reality3 doesn't do animation) and i don't really know if Octane does it.  i want to render animation in real format (video codec, and NOT image by image with post work to do with reassembling the video...)

Best regards

Quote - That no longer works for me in PP2014, unfortunately.  I used to be able to select one of my installed codecs and render a clip, now I have to render frames as I can't get Poser to see the codecs...  When I start using Reality soon I will already be used to doing that.

i'm not a pp2014 user but maybe it is full x64, so need to install your video codec in 64bits version now. that i needed to do with pp2012 x64 : virtualdub in 64bits too, and xvid 64b, h264 encode x64.... and it works.

i know this process using virtualdub to recomposite the video animation but it required to many times that poser can do in first position.

i said pp2014 (update is more 250€ from pp2012) is more expansive than having a quadro k2000 or k4000 second hand here (france).

Maya & c4 are already purchased since a long time, to need to money them. The older part of my computer is the video card!

actualy, i'm near to my favourite firefly setting but not as good in opengl in wish;

here what i wish in cpu firefly (average 5s to render):

and now, here is what i get in opengl render (0s to render) :

As you can see, there still are many difference between cpu and my gpu, that why i wonder if the nvidia K2000 or K4000 would help me to be nearer to the cpu render.

more thant 5s is important because i do animation (and a lot), and post-montge in Premiere after render...

i already have (i think) a good hardware except my video card (i7-975X, RAM 12GB, SSD)

thanks all for your replies,

but i can't buy poser pro 2014 (to expansive...compare a newer video card).

i was interested in Reality 3 for poser, but it does not support rendering animation like poser pro to do it (poser pro can do the animation in video codec whereas Reality can only do image one by one then you have to recomposite the video animation after the render).

As i said, i will not do firefly render (to many time althought my hardware), i just need to do opengl preview rendering animation (1280x720 in 50i/s).

i do not want nvidia GTX things because it's for gaming or familly multimedia, and i need a full compatibilité with the rest of my sofare stuff (c4d and maya).

Quote - Glad to give some info too. Scene downloaded, unpacked and run, no flaws. Score: 14-15 seconds to render, either internal or as external process (consistent over 6 runs).(...)

Specs:
win7 Pro Sp1 64-bit, PPro 2010 64-bit, CPU: i990X @4GHz (6 cores, 12 threads), RAM: 24Gb incl 4Gb Ram-disk for Temp, C: on SSD (program only, no data), Data on 9x2Tb disk unit, nVidia GTX560Ti OC/1Gb.

so, according to your specs, i guess you use poser pro 2010 (not 2012) to run the test. that's explan why you did not have the miss texture file problem.

And for the record, with your i990X @4GHz and 12 threads and SSD configuration, you reached a x2 factor faster than my cpu (i7-975 3.3Ghz and 8 thread and hard drive). What is pretty much not bad at all !

Quote - Hello, Just ran the test for you...

• Poser Version : 2012 pro 64bit
• Render time   : 0 minutes and 20 seconds
• CPU           : i7-2820QM
• Threads       : 8
• MHz           : 2.30
• RAM           : 8GB + 3GB Video
• OS            : Windows 7 Ultimate 
• User          : Lost Alien

Hope that helps

LA 

you score is wrong because poser2012 miss several texture of the g2 model.

you might had error message while loading p7b file.

i miss this :

G2Casual-TennisShoes
G2Casual-T-shirt
G2Casual-CasualPants
G2_Pants
G2_T_shirt
G2_Tennis_Shoes

so, 2 models (of 4) are nude, without clothes textures. Then the render is obviously faster !

i have to find out where these texture are gone ?

for your information, i own an old nvidia quadro fx1700.

And i can easily produce that 1080p animation in realtime (preview render) without any time to render (except the video codec operation).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5_HvmBklRI

i don't know what would be the result with a 1000$ video card, but i guess it would be near and not very much better than mine (<150$). Before my quadro, i had a oldest ati (HD2400) and i could not affor me this realtime render with it. So i guess the first price in nvidia quadro is enough (for me at least!) but i 'm curious like you of what will be the same render with better quadro...

i think i would need a bigger vcar like you told only in the case i needed more memory to store the texture in vram (with many characters, properties,landscape in my scene..).

As you can see, my animation use only one character with 4K textures.

By the way, i really would like someone build a sample scene (for poser 7 8 and pro 2010), upload it somewhere and build a topic for compare opengl render with different card.

Quote - , but all in all, it's still WAY faster than any of my Poser renders. I've never had a 10 hour Octane render lol So my suggestion would be download the demo and mess around to see if it's right for you. Only problem is that it does require a GeForce or Quadro with Cuda or Tesla technology.

your words are petty attractive to me !

how faster do you think octane is it ? any factor idea on poser ? 2x faster ? 3x faster ?

it could be very interesting to have a both render preview and time to make an idea.

i have a nvidia quadro, fx1700, an old one, but with cuda support, so i will look closer on octane.

Quote - Can't you increase the memory of a netbook past 1gig?

yes you can for several models, but it is not important because it costs too much to add ram module. my aim was to use 100-150$/€ for each netbook (new or second hand).

i'm pretty sure that purchase 12 netbooks to build a (12-cores/24-threads 12GB memory @ 1.6GHz) renderfarm is less expensive than buy a full machine bi-xeon 12cores....... ...but...i forgot something very important too:

with equal frequency, 1 atom core is not as speed as 1 xeon core cpu whatever the generation/architecture (moreover there is no SSE4 instructions in atom cpu).

in fact i think 1 core of a xeon is equal to at least 4 cores atom maybe more. It means that i would need 48netbooks to equal a 12cores xeon computer and at this level money is more expensive !

Last months, i saw a new that intel release a 128 atom atom server, i'm really wandering what would be the performance in a render process...

well, i will come next year for asking the same question : can i build a renderfarm with tablet PC or smartphone.....as cpu mobile already in dual/quad core in this device ! :-)

Quote - Also, netbooks generally have minimal memory, so even if you had 32 of them (max rendering threads in PP2010) you would still be limited to simple scenes, simple materials, and mediocre render settings.

hummm you're right !

i didn't think about this point : the memory

netbook have 1Gb of memory.

and my current renders tasks (on my workstation ci-7) always need 3GB at least.

so yes, this was a stupid idea! arghhhhhhhhhhh!

dash it ! a column of netbook was so more handly and beatiful in a room than a real server lame or multi barebones case!!

well, i cancel my idea.

thank guys for reasonned me!