Any update on this one yet?
Thanks.
Tony.

Yeah, I find ratings completely useless these days so have switched them off on my images and really don't bother leaving ratings when I comment.
Tony.

To Stacey,

On thinking this over again I'm not sure how my suggested calculations could be applied because if someone puts on 3 images in one week then I can't see how the formula would work as you wouldn't know which of the 3 images to apply the percentage adjustment to.

You couldn't even just apply it to their latest one either because if someone puts on an image and then doesn't upload for another month but still continues commenting then they will be penalising themselves with every comment they make.

My only other suggestion at the moment  is just to show the top image of each of the art chart artists, ie if someone has 10 images in the most commented chart then just show their top commented image with a footnote to say that this is the top one of 10 of theirs. This way you would always have 100 different artists images on show in the top 100 which is a far better showcase for true talent and falls in line with what PhilW has just posted. Visitors to the charts would then just click on the artists name under the image to see their gallery.

This to me seems much fairer, but I know I may be upsetting quite legitimate artists who currently have more than one image in the charts.

Any other suggestions from anybody will be welcome.

Tony.

Quote - We will bring these suggestions for the art chart calculations to the programmers to see. We will not be getting rid of the Art Charts. Please remember they are there for just a fun factor type feature...There are some criteria already in place to keep abuse down and it works much better than the old fun Hot 20.  Its just for fun for the members.

Hi Stacey,

Many thanks for feeding my suggestions back to the programmers for their consideration. Deep down I too would like to see the art charts remain as they are fun as you say, I just want them to be a fairer reflection on the really great artists on here rather than people who abuse the system just to see their name in lights. These days the art charts are beginning to look like a couple of peoples personal gallery rather than an art chart.

At the end of the day, how these cut and pasters behave is up to them but I just don't think they should be rewarded with a position in the charts when all they do is purposely abuse the system to achieve their goals.

I look forward to hearing what the programmers say on this matter. I'd also be interested in the criteria currently in place to keep abuse down but I quite understand if this is privileged information only.

Many thanks for taking time to look into this for me.

Tony.

Yeah, a panel of people picking just their friends and favourite artists was in the back of my mind when I suggested the use of independant judges to pick images, it seems whichever way we want to go someone will find a way to abuse the system. As far as scrapping the art charts I suppose that it may upset the people who are legitimately already on there so I could be on a hiding to nothing.
Of all the ideas put forward so far I think photostars is the best suggestion of only allowing entry to the charts once a month as that would give the none cut and paste commenters their rightful chance of getting in the charts, for 3 weeks anyway. I suppose the downside to this would be that the offenders would only post once a month.
I just really want something fair for the true artists on here that should be recognised instead of the comment and favourite chasers on here who have nothing better to do than try to shower themselves in glory.
Any suggestions for a fairer way of running the charts would be welcome.
I still think some sort of calculation using the number of  comments and favourites people receive against the number they give out might do the trick. I just don't know what the formula is at the moment. I'll have a think, maybe some sort of percentage ratio between the 2.

Example:
A comment chaser would give out 500 comments and receive a high number back, say 200 which is a 40% ratio. (200 comments would get them into the charts)
A true artist would not go comment chasing, they would comment on ones they like, say 20 and if there work is really good they will receive 40 back, this is 200%.
200% is higher than 40% so the true artist wins.
The same could be applied to favourites and ratings.
But there again, this may have the effect of stopping people from giving too many comments ... who knows.

Any thoughts from any of the moderators on here.

Tony.

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Tony, I advise you just to ignore the whole thing because no matter how it is changed or not changed some will abuse the system for self gratification.

Hi skiwillgee,

Surely if we scrap the art charts then this would stamp out this kind of behaviour.

I remember a while back I posted a fractal and a few days later received a site mail saying that it had been picked to be included in a weekly (or monthly, I can't remember which) fractal showcase gallery. I actually found that much more rewarding than being on the art charts.

To prove a point about the art charts I posted an image a few months ago and spent about 8 hours commenting solidly ... sure enough I am now in the all time art charts with that image, however the feeling of accomplishment is not there because I know how it was achieved.

Can we not have monthly showcases picked by impartial moderators/members or something along those lines.

A couple of other sites I'm involved with have weekly image awards where they pick a number of exceptional images. The chosen artists are given an award gif to display with the image in recognition which is displayed permanently underneath their image.

Tony.

LOL, I'll have to practice my CTRL+C and CTRL+V technique then, there are certainly plenty of experts on here I can ask.

Well said photostar, the true artists on here are being thwarted by the ego chasers. Maybe the charts should divide the number of comments somene receives by the number of comments and/or the number of favourite images they make during each period.

Maybe someone needs to make a stance then because this site is being used for the wrong reasons by some people. I feel that scrapping the art charts would certainly have some effect.

A great idea 2ni, I notice deviantART have just started this feature and it is very slick and highly used.
Tony.

Get's my vote Joe.

Many congratulations to Orbital, a seriously stunning image.

The votes from Manchester, UK are ...

Orbital: 'Awakening' - 3 points

Photostar: 'Morning On Cantus Prime' - 2 points

TwoPynts: 'Sunrise In Florida' - 1 point

Tony :-)

I don't normally post photo's but here goes ... I call this one 'Playa Blanca Dawn'.
As babuci says, it's always worth getting up early.

I agree entirely that a Bryce challenge should only allow the use of Bryce. I'll get modelling with those Bryce primitives straight away. Great idea brholte, particularly as I love modelling with Bryce primitives. This challenge will show just what people can achieve not only artistically but technically as well.