yeah I guess I answered my own question. I uninstalled python 2.4 and got 2.3 installed. It works fine now. I definitely appriceated the the links tho. helpful stuff. It's gonna take some getting used to a program that lets you get under the hood as much as this one, but demands you know what you're doing when you're under there. thanks for the help. Chewy

Independence, Missouri, USA

Ok here goes 3 Vile -- NO QUESTION, The most Realistic entry. 2 AgentSmith -- Great scene lighting and atmosphere and textures all spot on. Looking at the image I feel like I'm this person's dive partner. 1 Kapoho -- For the same reason I like AgentSmith's the atmosphere and lighting made me feel like I was really in an underwater cave looking out. Given realism as the PRIMARY consideration, first and second place were a sinch. It was picking a third that was the hardest. So here are the runners up that in my opinion were all tied with Kapoho. Zahnn Creations Peggy Walters Swade And finally I have to give props to Danamo for persuing the Prehistoric angle. I contemplated that theme myself and may take a crack at my own paleozioc era, underwater scene in the near future. GOOD STUFF ALL

Fantastic pic, Vile. BTW....Thanks for the pointers on the planetary lighting I'm pullung together that starfish tut. and will post it to the forum here real soon. Good luck.