Thanks JoPublic

Did what you sugested  re saving  a cr2 file and bingo !!  and dynamic simulations are worfing a lot better now .

what it is they have nothing to contribute so have to resort spewing crap look at my  date of joining and post count, love the forums, gain a lot of info from a few of our number, but can't be assed to post because of the shit you might get from an innocent post. Don't know what you posted but im sure snarly will see the real gripers from the ones that had got caught up in the headlights.

Yes the Genisis thing is wearing very thin how long has it been since that mesh was launched. I will end now before i  succumb, and as khai-J-Bach  said they dont give a shit

dont let it get to you bro send snarly a pm if you think you might of offended him

This thread has gone beyond my wildest ;P Thank you to all who have taken the trouble to have contributed so far passing over their experiences and theories Thank you BB for your explanations on the subject did not know that you had already discussed this topic in another thread? Thank you BB, vilters, and Blackhearted for the renders posted giveing me a better understanding I think :/

  So if I am correct (which I doubt) there are cases where either Bump normal or displacements are useful but Bump wins over normal

Although  I must admit I was taken by the renders blackhearted  posted where the displacement in my tired old eyes just had the edge?  But that was displacement over normal and not bump !

BB I have very much enjoyed reading your posts it has helped a lot. So would I be right in saying that in your opinion Bump maps are more versatile than normal or displacement maps? with the right tweaking can achieve results that surpass the other two?

Thanks Guys for your input It has helped a lot :)

Lot of my welsh friends are amazed that the dragon is still flying. I am English with French Ancestry as well beleive it or not, but the wife (who is an Aussie girl !!!) and I have been welsh supporters for years so will be cheering on the Welsh team. Looking forward to the lads  producing a try or two  fingers crossed

Thank you Gentlemen  for your replies 
Phil you were right I changed all col to column and it seemed to do the trick
 My excuse in not knowing is that I am a user /abuser ,and although i should  get my head around some of the simple inner workings  of poser,  the program has always done every thing I wanted of it. Maybe not all, and sometimes frustrating, but the forums here are packed with info,  also RDNA so if i have been stuck there is usually a thread somewhere passed or present that has the answer
Once again thanks
Ray (cliss57)

Warangel
I have the same problem  with grim thought it might be something to do with all the memory leak and stuff on the other threads? so have been waiting to see the out come and patch if any which might solve our problem, question have you importing grim as an obj? when i get home tonight ill give it ago im sure it will import in,

Congrats on becomming a citizen in one of if not the best country in the world, Wife is a good Aussie girl and though she married a pomm. 
Well look at the cricket and the rugby some of the aussie's got to feel sorry for the pomms, and we worked this out well our daughter is born on the 26 Jan which made her Pops (wifes Dad) living in taz very hppy  .  So a Very big Congrats

not rich yet

 why do i need friends when i can spend all my time in cyberland LOL

Yes I must admit i did go on a bit but dodger i think is saying that the friends that he so say thought highly of now that he is not putting out lots of freebies that they can use they are giving him the cold shoulder  i just remaked that people want everything and not prepared to go and get it  i did with a lot of people saying  what in the world do you want to do that for   now ive left those i want every thing given to me type people behind  Just saying that dodger needs his friends to be supportive to encourage and understand where hes at

Hey Dodger just live your life man  havent read all but life is to short I know its a shit those whom you called friends turn their back and bitch.

 Happened to  to me about  4 years ago i started in network marketing most of the people i thought were friends shunned me thinking i would badger them into doing  or buying something they wouldnt want. I had found some years before in my other jobs with  friends you wait until they see you prosper then approach  The point is 4 years down the line they are still working giving time for money I now after speaking to hundreds of people  who some joined some left and so on, drive a nice bmw my wife drives a bmw i have land in austrailia  a house in france and 3 houses in the uk  which are rented out to students (shared houses) and guess what the so called friends are shittier than ever because i stuck with the network marketing and made it work and now i have more fun with the people ive helped than any of the so called friends i had  before

so as i said  Dodger go live your life as it is short enough and the finger to the assholes They are not your friends just aquintances whom are to lazy to try and learn to make things and if your not giving and their not taking then their bitching

sorry about the life history but it does remind me of when i started up in network marketing

for art,book covers, and general illustration, because im a cheapskate and don't use models much.

Sorry i have not posted my thanks before work got in the way. So here goes thanks guys ;D

Thanks for the tutorial link nruddock and thanks svdl i think its a case of trying what i already have to see if they work, up to now it has been hit and miss, with more misses than hits hence the post. What is the best way to study the mesh is there a cheap program or free one that i could use. i am not a modeler just does not interest me so all the cinimas, mayas, etc are of no interest. estherau thank you for pointing me in the direction of shadownet's allinwonder and dorm set

thanks maxxxmodelz for taking the time to help me out, some of my results were not so hot and i was wondering if i had overlooked a simple solution, but i think it means ill have to play a little more to get the best reults

i cant help but put my pennysworth in im not religious but have some good mates who are in the salvo and they have all gone to the disaster area on their on money all qualified in various tasks wich will help those affected, including 4 policemen and our local firebrigade has paid for 4 guys with a shit load of stuff to go across so dont donate over the internet just look to your local neighbourhood and youll find ligit guys and gals doing their bit and in my home town in the uk every store has a donation box