CleonXXI posted at 11:59AM Sun, 16 May 2021 - #4419215

Since the posting of my earlier "fix", other updates to Windows have returned my own copy of Poser 11 to such slowed functionality that with DAZ gen 4 figures things are as slow as they were before. I guess it is finally time to eithr buy Poser 12, or learn how to use DAZ, which I hate due to its horrible interface and inability to install content to anything other than C drive without requiring massive and constant modifications. Or maybe just time to find a new hobby.

For me the solution is Blender. The workflow and the possibilities are better by dimensions. And it is now possible with the Diffeo DAZ importer (https://diffeomorphic.blogspot.com/p/daz-importer-version-15.html) to import all Genesis figures. The handling of the figures is a bit more complicated and the importer is not fully developed either. But Blender is just fantastic

CleonXXI posted at 8:17AM Fri, 14 May 2021 - #4415683

I had the same issue with Poser 11 slowdown as you did following the forced Windows update. I am running Poser 11.3.818.

After checking the updates in settings, I found that there were optional updates that Windows did not inform me of until I looked. These are the ones listed in the attached image as having been applied 3/27/2021. After applying the optional update and restart, I found that Poser responded much better than it did. I'm not sure it's quite as fast as before, but much faster than after the first update. Usable now with no "click lag" on graphic UI items, which had been my main problem, also preview movement much improved.

In my case Poser was getting slower and slower with each windows update. Inbetween this click issue is 10 times slower then before. When I click in on a G2 figure in the Hierarchy poser needs around 1 minute till it has done this click before I can go on with working. No other software has this issue. Blender and DAZ are working still perfect with all this updates. I don't see any solution for Poser

Yes the Poser Team will not fix this issue in Poser 11.2. I also don't think that Microsoft will do anything for me.

I have finished with Poser emotionally and concentrate to Blender. Blender comes with improvements and new tools almost every month. I have known that Poser has no future for me since it became clear that the Genesis figures in Poser 12 will no longer work. Since there is now a way to get Genesis figures into Blender, I'm actually happy. Blender is simply exiting how fast you can work and what opportunities you have there. Blender is open source, with a large community, it doesn't die so quickly because there are so many clever minds involved.

So it's clear now. Poser is dead for me. I can't unsinstall this last update (KB5001330) anymore now. Poser is to slow for me to work with compex scenes now. Maybe Microsoft will solve thi sissue anytime. Because also many other people has this performance issue with games and other software with this update. But I'm sure Poser will not solve thi sissue. And for me it's better I forget Poser and will work with DAZ and Blender only. Why should I mess around with Poser software any longer.

It has also been called KB4601319 or KB5000802. It also depends on your Windows version. The update was changed over and over again. Maybe Microsift has even withdrawn it in the meantime.

I have suspended my updates until the end of April, after which I will see what has been done in between

Azath posted at 3:38AM Sat, 03 April 2021 - #4416095

Window Security also got Updated ! it slowed down allot of stuff on Win 10 so if a website is accessing big time your Program while running it can cause a strong slowdown, also depending what method is used . There are methods by using CMD to track down the issues. Try shutting down certain new added Win Security features !

yes, currently it is the security update KB 5000808 which slows down the Poser. As soon as I uninstall it, Poser is back to normal. I did the research, this update also causes other problems e.g. when printing or even causes bluescreens for some. Maybe Microsoft will fix these problems. At the moment I can still uninstall this update.

I have now determined, it affects all Poser versions 11 and 12 on all PCs on which I have tested it. The slowdown is only problematic with complex scenes from 400MB. If the problem is not solved or if I should not be able to uninstall the corresponding updates at some point, Poser will finally be unusable for me, including Poser 12.

Either way, I'll switch to Blender in the long run, that was clear to me as far as I know that Poser 12 no longer supports the Genesis figures. Genesis 2-8 are now being put into the blender.

@redPhantom

Thank you ver much for your tips. I know this tricks, but unfortunately they do not fix my problem

The slow down effect is already evident in the simple start scene. It is subtle but makes poser useless for my complex scenes.

The difference before and after the update is that if I move the shadernode here with the mouse like the red arrow line, it moves with 30 frames/s before the update but after the update it moves only with 10 frames/s. the movement is no longer fluid and becomes jerky after the updates. In Complex scenes I have to be happy if it still reacts at all.

Already when starting up or when switching around in the Poser's material editor, I notice that everything is only half as fast. But rendering or moving the camera in preview mode is still normal fast. It mainly affects the reaction time of material editor. This slowdown is also with Poser 12 in clean new installation and on all PCs that I have tested so far. In the meantime, I just assume that it just doesn't bother people because they don't have really heavy scenes. I work at scenes with up to 1.5GB filesize. So Poser is not usable for me anymore if it slows down. The future is more complex scenes not less complex. Poser should get faster not slower.

In between I installed the trial version of Poser 12 and there is the same issue. Slowing down the material editor as soon I make the newest updates of windows 10. So not even Poser 12 is the solution. But It works again if I uninstall the KB5000808 security update again.

I tested this now on 3 different PCs 2 PCs with AMD processors and 1 Notebook with Intel i7. On the notebook the Installation is also without any scripts or plugins. But Poser support want to tell me I am the only one with this issue? Maybe the issue is no problem if you have just loaded 2 figures and a cube. But in complexer scenes poser is not usable anymore. When I think how fast Blender is I realy just can say, so let Poser die, if the support is to leazy to take care of this problem. I definitely don't bother with it for much longer and concentrate on the future with DAZ and Blender

The call home function doesn't bother me, I have paid for everything I use. Since the P11.1 version has the same malfunction as P11.2, I now use P11.2

I just want to find out where the problem is with this slow down of poser. Otherwise I won't be able to use Poser anymore. I will then neither advise Poser users nor buy any content for Poser nor recommend Poser to anyone. Bondware support just left me out in the rain.

I tried Posser 11.1. It's the same issue. Slow material editor. Also if I a make a complete new installation without any additional scripts like DSON importer or so.

But it seems not everbody has this slow down issue with the newest windows updates. So the question is, what is the reason?

CPU? I use AMD CPU Threadripper.

Grafic card? i use Nividia GeForce GTX 1060 and 660ti

I'm more and more pessimistic to solve this issue. But I will try to install Poser on other PCs maybe I can find out what's the reason.

Ok, when I read this it's better to give up Poser at all. I'm getting tired of this poser theater. Bondware let all the Poser 11 user stand in the rain. All your work get lost. It's to risky to work with this dying software. I have lost the trust in Bonwares Poser strategy. The futur is DAZ + Blenderbridge. There I get real support. From Poser support I just get the anser "sorry Poser 11 is not supported anymore".

I wish you all a lot of fun when Poser 13 comes and you can't use all of your Poser 12 work again. I don't need that anymore. Bondware must be happy if they don't have to face legal proceedings about forcing Poser 11.1 users to update to their demaged Poser 11.2 and 11.3 versions. A claim for damages would actually be appropriate if they did not return the working Poser 11.1 from SmithMicro version to us.

But how can I get this Poser 11.1 On SmithMicro website I read they will not respond to Poser questions and have links to this website here.

And another question is, does a responsible supporter really get in touch on this topic here? I thought this was the official forum for Poser 11 pro technical issues?

I'm Swiss, so it is probably difficult for legal steps.

But apparently I'm not the only one with this slow-down problem. I had made all updates including the optional ones on March 23rd, 2021. After that, the problem was worse than ever. Even without a loaded scene, the material editor only reacts every second only. When I render, it only shows the image when it has finished rendering and no longer during rendering.

It is only due to the update KB5000802 (builds 19041.867 and 19042.867). As soon as I uninstall this specific update, Poser works fast again. I have now suspended updates until April 27th, 2021. Let's see what happens then. It is also possible that Microsoft will solve the problem on its own till then, but that's not sure.

It would be interesting how many users have this issue in Poser 11.2/3. Maybe we can put pressure on Bondware together to get a working poser 11 version. However, Poser 11.3 works even worse for me. The DSON importer causes Poser crashes in Poser 11.3 as soon I delete G2 figure or somtimes when I save the file with G2 figures in the secne. So I need a working Poser 11.1 oder 11.2.

RedPhantom posted at 10:30AM Thu, 25 March 2021 - #4415571

If I recall, Poser 11.1 won't work because it has the phone home feature that wants to connect to smithmicro's server which no longer exists.

I think we should get the last version of Poser 11.1 back! 11.2 doesn't work correctly.