deci6el, I know what you mean on the decreasing items for 5Inf. At least you have infinite which probably works well on the G5, and that does have the eco-paint, right? I made the decision to stay with this machine for now. It may not have the speed of the new macs, but is still a good machine. I have no problem running any of the software I own, and runs really well. (In a way, I haven't even gotten my mileage out of it yet). And as for my 3D content, it's probably more than what I could use in a lifetime. I was hoping to get in with this last version, but if it's not going to run right, I'd rather stay with what does.

Quote -  Would you mind posting your results in this thread?

I tried the trial version of Vue 8 Complete and loaded a scene I had done with Vue 6.  Interface-wise, it seemed pretty much the same as Vue 6 to manipulate my objects. (actually the specs are the same as Vue 6). In terms of render speed, I can't know because the trial has rendering limitations.

However, when I tried the Eco-paint, it was pretty sluggish to paint even a few rocks into the same scene as there was a lag time. I wasn't even doing trees.

My major reasons for the upgrade was for the new things like terrain, sky, and especially the eco-paint. Now I'm thinking it may be better to skip it.

I'm starting to feel I'd rather use older software (i.e. leaner) on this machine which will be really fast, than get new software which will run slow. It's not like nice images can't be done with 6. ;)

One thing I will mention though, is when I launched the app, it said my graphics card did not support the current OpenGL required by Vue 8, but it gave the option to use a different setting. I just now launched Vue 8 to get the specific OpenGL info, but today it won't even launch after repeated attempts. 

Maybe that's my answer. Just saved some money.

But I would also welcome anyone else having used it for a while to chime in.

 Yep, I will do that. Thanks.

 Thank you. Infinite, which is what PLE is based on, is not going to work for me as it's intel only. However, according to the specs, Esprit, Studio and Complete should be fine (1.25 PPC or greater).  But the reason I ask is because even though the specs are OK for Studio, sometimes in the "real world" people are getting other behaviors, which is what I hoped to find out.

Beautiful! Is there the PDF or anything that lists what the system requirements will be (Mac, PC)? Does it seem to need more horsepower than 7? Thanks.

 What are the system requirements (Mac and PC), and does the manual list the requirements for versions other than Infinite? Does it seem more CPU-intensive than 7 was? Thanks.

Peggy, you are a gem. :) I'm on a Mac, but yes, I am running with administrator's rights. Here's what I did now while waiting for reply: since it wanted to bypass "/Vue 6 Esprit" and install those empty folders directly in "e-on software" folder, I just took all the folders (Atmospheres, etc.) from "e-on software/Vue 6 Esprit/" and put them one level up in "e-on software/". I also upgraded to 6.5 even though it was just a RC. When I launched it this time, all the folders were there and all was well, except for the Extras CD stuff, of course. (little "can't find on CD" icon). Man. I'm really looking forward to getting into Vue after all this, but I have to say, none of my other 3D apps are this problematic! Now, about the CD... is there any way to get it to authorize the stuff in one swoop or do I have to click each folder/content and do them folder by folder? I am a person with a lot of patience but this is really getting tiresome, all this nonsense. At least one good thing, so far at least, is that it's no longer looking for .prv files in order to populate, so I'm glad I re-installed. Do you know why it was recreating folders all over the place? Does your directory go directly from "e-on software/Atmosphere" or do you have "e-on software/Vue (version)/Atmosphere"? The first way is working for me now. While I'm asking, when you are in your browser and click the main collection heading, do all your thumbnails show, or does it just show folder icons that are within that collection? I'm trying to wrap my head around the way Vue thinks. I thought it would be the same as Poser, Bryce, etc. but apparently it is particular? Another thing: I noticed in a read-me file for an item I bought, it said after you install it, click New Collection to get Vue to recognize it. I didn't do this today, after moving everything into the "e-on software" folder, and it's all there. I just wondered if every time you buy something, do you have to point Vue to it, or does it know to update the directory? Thanks again! Hopefully this will be the end of my woes, once I understand what its method is.

I spoke too soon. It's not working, because: • it can't find items it needs to populate, such as grass.prv, and when it asks to locate it, it is greyed out. • it kept defaulting to another of my hard drives and making empty folders there. So, I uninstalled it and started all over again, installing one by one. This time, I looked at the path for the Cornucopia stuff I bought (* see below for a newbie tip) and installed everything in its proper place. Here is the path I am using based on what I read: (Users)/Documents/e-on software/Vue 6 Esprit/ However, when launching Vue and trying to load an object, mat, or whatever, it says the file path is unavailable and it will have to be deleted. What is this!!!!????? I also noticed that it has been automatically making more folders called Atmospheres, Materials, etc., with the subfolders inside, although they are empty. It is making them at this path level: (Users)/Documents/e-on software/Atmospheres etc. Why is it doing this? Could someone please tell me what is the correct path, and why is it making these folders all the time? Does it want me to put the stuff I installed in those instead? This shouldn't be so hard! Thanks. * Tip for Vue Newbies (of which I am one): the download links for the items you buy at Cornucopia are named with the installation path). And a P.S. here: when you purchase it, tell it YES you want it to install after purchase, because the download will be an installer. It doesn't automatically install until you are ready to do so (that's why I initially said "No" to it because I didn't want to install yet). But, by saying "Yes", you get a different zip package that has an installer when you unzip it. I learned that trick after first telling it "No" thinking I'd do it manually. Saying "No" doesn't give you an installer.)

Yes, I had tried to have it copy from the CD also, since manually putting the stuff in the folders from the Extras CD (download, in my case) didn't do anything. I finally got it working. I organized my folders on the hard drive the way I want them, categorized them within their main folder (Objects, Materials, etc). then I launched Vue. In the Collections browser, I deleted everything on the left side. I then clicked the New Collections icon and then directed it to the Main category folder on my hard drive (e.g. Objects, Materials, etc- depending on what type was being loaded, (e.g. Objects, Materials, etc.) I did this for each of those main categories, choosing that main category folder when asked. That way, each main folder is the top tier of the tree, like a heading, with everything from that category inside. The nice thing about that too, is that if I ever want to delete it and redo it again, I just have to select it (e.g.."Objects") in the collections tree and delete it, and it will take everything with it. (Also, it takes less time than to choose each folder from within that main category, so I don't mind having the word "Objects" or whatever as the top tier instead of just the subsets). Now it's running very well, and I have no more "missing" items.

Oh, I also wanted to ask: you mentioned on a PC it goes in the documents. Does your content go in the same folder as the Vue app? Here's what I have in my Vue app folder: Documentation, Environment, Help, HyperVue, Modules, Motions, Standalone Renderer, Temp, Temp 3, and Vue 6 (the app). All the content is in a separate location on my hard drive, under the category "Documents".

Some of them do, which I figured out were enticements for Cornucopia. However there is a Wood folder, for one, that I have even purchased a couple things, but even the folder does not show in the Collections window. Does the Collections update itself (mirror the actual file structure on the hard drive)? There really are many many things not showing up at all, that really DO exist. Even freebie stuff. Peggy, I thank you so much for your assistance as you've answered several of my posts. I may look into your course too, depending on the time I can devote.

Does anyone know if it runs in OSX (not Classic) Mac or is it System 9 only?