RedPhantom posted at 6:49 PM Sun, 22 September 2024 - #4489618

You keep saying there isn't a week's worth of office clothes. But looking in the marketplace, I've found several. I'll admit I've never worked in an office, I've always been able to wear jeans to work.

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/137445/la-femme-business-suit 3 color options

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/151559/office-suit-viii-for-la-femme 6 color options

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/152499/da-femenin-for-office-suit-viii 6 color options

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/154416/nine-to-five-for-office-suit-viii 8 color options

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/163519/thetrenchcoatset-for-lafemme2-lafemme-and-v4 1 color

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/163527/ra-for-the-trench-coat-set 5 color options

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/149954/dynamic-skirt-set-for-dawn-and-la-femme 6 color options though you might need to add a blazer to this

That's for different geometries with 35 different color options.

Lafemme has clothes available. You just need to take the time to look for it

I have seen all of these.  The reason they aren't in my runtimes is they are not office appropriate. None of these work in a  white collar environment.  If those skirts went to at least just above the knee or to the knee, they would be fine - otherwise, we are having Basic Instinct at the office.  I've seen people sent home for the mini-skirts.  There is also the issue of the colors. 

See this as an example:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=female+appropriate+office+wear&t=ffab&atb=v344-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

or

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=female+office+wear&atb=v344-1&iax=images&ia=images

Lots of dark colors, solids, sleeves on the shirts, no cleavage, and skirts that end at the knee or just above it. 

The LF "business suit" is great if you are going out on a date, or the club, or shopping; just not the office - the same can be said for all of the color combinations.  And that was so easy to fix too - run the skirt to the knees & then change the colors.  This is what kept getting me so frustrated - 99% of the way there, and then the vendor snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

As far as the trench coat outfit, it isn't worth $14 - It looks like something from the V2 era (I have loads of better looking outfits for V2 & V3 that have survived a trip through either the fitting room, Xdresser, or Wardrobe Wizard for post V4 figures.

The dynamic set has a similar issue - the lack of sleeves on the top.

blackbonner posted at 4:46 AM Sat, 24 August 2024 - #4488696

@jimros

Would you explain to me what do you mean by the notion that LaFemme is the Poser killer?
What's wrong with her?
I have made some free stuff for her, you can find here on Renderosity, including morphs.
She is a nice piece of geometry and it has been fun to work with.
I agree with you that we lack modern content for Poser.
As long as we complain and wait for Daz to do us a favor, the future of Poser is to migrate to Daz.
I'm 58 years old now and I spend almost 20 years with Poser.
I don't want to use Daz Studio, I tried and I didn't like the way it works, looks and feels.
So, seems to me that we have to build our own world in Poser, so to speak. 
You know what? The more I think about it, I will open a new thread to create a sort of wish-list of content we need in Poser.
Maybe you could do a list of things you want to use in Poser and I pick a thing or two, maybe someone else will do it too?
What do you think?

Much like communism, "better bending" was a red herring......

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From an end user perspective, LF/LH is no different than any other post-V4 Poser figure.  If you are doing single image stills of girl pinup art, she is ok.  Move outside of that, and you will be spending more time converting legacy content for it's use than it was worth. After you have converted everything you plan on using, there isn't an incentive to spend money on new content.

LF & LH were the 1st meshes that I truly never cared about due to the lack of vendor support.  I have seen this movie too many times already.  SM put the Fitting Room into Poser for a reason - and that reason was lack of vendor support. 

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If we build a new mesh, the vendors will come is the same failed strategy we have lived with since Poser 9.

Poser and that other program have completely different business models - yet the Poserverse keeps trying to use the other one.  Poser is a toolbox that allows us to use whatever we want. That other program is like a gatcha mobile game - always nickle and diming you, while never fixing the underlying problems with the software.

Most vendors only make what they are personally interested in, and many were very, very adverse to learning the new tools that are in Poser, which leads to a figure having no overall direction.  Rosity had the opportunity to address this with LF & LH, and they fumbled it about as badly as possible.

<Lots of angry ranting removed>

I would rather that 'Rosity work on improving the Fitting Room, and adding support for rendering with AMD graphics cards (via the Pro Render Engine - it is open source & they have a Cycles Plug-in).  Then as end users, we can use whatever we want.  Ken1171 has us covered with converting most DS content with his fine array of scripts. 

Shoes - get us a shoe converter, it is the last piece to becoming figure agnostic.

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What I want to see is NORMAL clothing for my characters.  In it's lifespan, LF never got a week's worth of clothing that could be worn in an office environment.  Now realize that LH got about 10% of that.

The issue is, once I get going with the fitting room, there is less & less incentive for me to purchase content. 

With Poser 5, I could create anything I could imagine - with Poser 13, I can do pin up art - but not as well, nor as fast as I can in Stable Diffusion - for a lot less money, as well.

Please,

Stable Diffusion is all about amateurs.

YES!!!!!!!!

I am so excited, I am ready to put her to work.

Well, after I download the new Poser interation & pay for what is in my cart.

Not to mention the fact with all of the vendors leaving, we are stuck with older stuff that isn't really compatible with newer versions of Poser.

Nevertrumper posted at 7:00 AM Wed, 5 June 2024 - #4485724

freek2 posted at 5:18 PM Sun, 2 June 2024 - #2987875

[...] especially when the V4 model is already as versatile as I'll ever need. [...]

YIKES !
I get it, some people just prefer a New York back alley hot dog over a healthy 5 star dinner.

In addition, it is very easy to upgrade a legacy figure in Poser.

All of Ken's scripts are "must have".

Tutorials with the Cloth Room would be a good start.

I'd recommend staying away from video only tutorials - they are easier to make, but it is the least effective method on sharing information.

Yeah - and it isn't like they don't have a major university with a Computer Science department that is about 10 minutes away from 'Rosity World Headquarters.

randym77 posted at 7:59 PM Fri, 9 February 2024 - #4481415

LOL. You might have a point there. But jeez, at one point Chris said Dawn 2 coming out maybe next month. It's been years since then.

Clothes aren't actually the biggest issue for me. It's morphs and textures. LF and LH are lacking in diversity, and IMO, it's the morphs and textures that are the issue. If you want to depict a middle aged Black man, say, or an elderly Asian woman, you're kind out of luck.

One particular example: nearly all the LF textures have eyebrows that are really thick, and square on the inner ends. That is fashionable now; all the models and actresses have brows like that these days.

But it hasn't been popular in the past, and doesn't look natural. So if you want to render a 50s glamor girl, or a historical heroine...the textures look anachronistic.

Don't say that LF & LH are All Caucasians, all the time.  It sets people off that can't actually do math.  I have run the numbers - Poser (and DS) figures are over 90% Caucasian - it has always been this way.  As I said earlier, Poser has devolved from Make anything you can conceive of to Make a generic pin up image with an instantly forgettable white girl. 

The whole reason I use every figure I have collected since Dec 2004 is that is literally the only way to get a wide variety of ages, shapes, colors, and such.

There are a number of texture conversion products have have been around, and then abandoned - the last was Texture Transfer.

It works really, really well and a number of us were begging Blacksmith3d to take our money for new plug-ins, but it looks like they have gone to that great software repository in the sky.

"While ZLUDA cannot run Nvidia Optix code on Radeon graphics hardware, it can run CUDA binaries without any changes."

Nothing is going to make Nvidia sell their cards at a "reasonable price".  Too many folks are willing to pay $2,000 for a top tier video card.

This is why I have lobbied for dumping Optix and going with the AMD ProRender engine.

The ProRender engine has been integrated into a number of high performance programs like Solidworks, and Plug-ins are available for 3DS Max,  Blender, Maya, and Unreal Engine. 

It will run on any RDNA gpu, so even a $130 RX5700xt from Aliexpress will get you going.

The software is Open Source, and AMD is willing to work with anyone.

That is what the fitting room is for, hornet3d.

It does quite well going from M4 to Dusk - if that doesn't work (and sometimes there are issues), then try Xdresser.

Between the 2, I moved just about everything to Dusk.

Chris is the one that invented the saying "Daz Soon" - he has stayed to form.

As far as the 3rd issue - I really feel that 'Rosity should focus on the fitting room, and come up with a plan for converting shoes.

The fitting room gets us 90% there, but the last 10% would take 90% of the work.  However, once it is done, we have another giant leap forward.  It wouldn't matter who the clothing was made for originally.

Rhia474 posted at 4:00 PM Thu, 1 February 2024 - #4481081

That is what worries me. Why is Poser not attracting content makers any more? Is it something much more difficult to create for than the other program? If you look even on this marketplace,  the difference is staggering. I would like to understand why, because without content the future is grim.

I can explain - you won't like it, but I can explain why we are where we are today......

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We have 3 interrelated problems:

1.  A lack of vision at the company level; no one from Curious Labs to 'Rosity has been looking at the big picture.

2.  A vendor base that is mostly monetizing a hobby.

3.  A userbase that is aggressively unwilling to learn either new techniques or spend money on either content or hardware to make Poser go.

vxg139 posted at 5:59 PM Mon, 8 January 2024 - #4480216

"If you want to use DAZ figures, DAZ studio is the native, and therefor better app for it."

I have vested too much in Poser program (characters, clothing, etc.... probably more than $20,000 since "Poser 4" days) to change to DAZ. Thanks for the advice though.

You would need to drop several hundred dollars on 3rd party apps just to approach feature parity.