I have not been succesful in even finding the new version anywhere .. so I only have the old one. Is it impossible to get it anymore ?

Thank You tresamie for making it clearer to me - just wanted to be sure I understood it right :) Deagol .. yes I do like this thread and do think I learn a lot from it too :) It is so interesting to exchange opinions and ideas. I do find APOflames very interesting and I agree totally with Carol ..you have to give them more than a glance to really appreciate them and get into the details in them. And we all know most people do not really have the patience :) .. Even in the other fractals .. I find you need a closer look too .. and give it time .. to really see what is in front of you. So that is why the commenting does take time. Adding layers .. yes that does go into more creativity and more work for each one you add. LOL but often I sit there with 7-8 layers .. and in the end the one I upload has only 2. Too many layers can give a "dirty" or too dark look - at least for my taste. Hugss zoozee :)

I really find this interesting too .. but .. something I did not understand completely I think .. were they all flames .. or were some of them other fractals? .. Did I understand it right .. as it was the flames they did not like so much ? .. Maybe it is just me not understanding your story right - I just wanted to get it right .. lol. But if I understood it right .. well that would actually also be as I would have expected. That it was the other fractals that would be more popular than the flames. I am thinking about what I thought was the most cool ones before I started making fractals myself ...

I only agree Carol .. you have to have the eye for the potential in a flame .. same in the other fractal programs .. you need to have the feel for what you can take out .. and use with other layers .. and finally enhance into the final picture. Even a one-layered one .. the art is "seeing". And it is never like just picking up a sea-shell .. you almost always have to do something to it to really make it shine. It is here the work is .. it is here the art is created. :) .. Hugss zoozee :)

Thank you for commenting .. I appreciate it :) I agree .. balance is important too .. very ! But I find that included in composition .. may be my bad .. but I see a good composition as one that is balanced. And yes .. there is always - the eyes of the beholder. Some hate yellow .. others love yellow ... and any painting containing a lot of yellow will then be hated by the first .. but loved by the second party. Just to name a little thing like that .. And even art critics have their own personal likes and dislikes .. so no person can be totally neutral and say what is real good art and what is not .. but that is of course my opinion. Even inside art .. there is the thing .. what is "in" right now and what is "out". Which adds to the confusion too. But yes .. your comment did make sense to me :):) Hugss zoozee :)

I agree to most of what have been said here .. and find the discussion very interesting. I have not been doing fractals a whole year yet .. only almost. But I have been doing "normal" art since I was a little kid. After I started doing fractals .. I have often been met with questions like : Why are you doing fractals when you are so good at "real art"? At first I got a bit offended - but then thought - they think fractals are some you just "pick up" - sign and frame - upload and thats it ! There is no easy way to make art .. of any form. And I find you are spending just as much time creating a good satisfying fractal picture as you do making a normal art-painting. All this said - I can tell you what fractals have done for me. I had to give this a lot of thoughts - because of that "evil" question popping up again and again --- why am I doing fractals? .. What makes a fractal good and outstanding? What is the essence of it? You can agree or disagree .. and I might be wrong .. but I have cut it down to it being : colors - highlights/shadow - composition. So after creating fractals for a couple of months I suddenly saw that my "real art" had changed !! .. I had enhanced my skills in doing more work on the coloring .. the highlights and shadows .. my compositions! My "normal" works had improved .. and improved A LOT !! It was not just me seeing that .. many told me so too - and it was not even me bringing up the subject at all. So now I have a good reply to why I am doing fractals ! In a way you can say that fractals are art boiled down to the edge of what art is ..hmm sounds maybe weird .. dont know if I can explain this right LOL ... But the artist that I went to when I was a young artist to-be told me back then : All art is just light and shadow. So I see the fractals as something where you are FORCED to do the right thing .. because if you do not .. then it is just an awful mishmash - you never would upload. So when I go and make my normal art it still sits in me .. doing more about the highlights and the shadows. Making them live in harmony or in fights what ever fits that peticular painting. Apart from fractals giving me something to my other artforms .. I do love and care for them - love making them - and I know I will never stop doing them. And to the statement that there are only so and so many different flames ..or spirals ... I do not believe that .. I dont think there are 2 that ever are the same ! Hugss zoozee :)