I managed to save a tree as a .bto file... and it's in the preset folder with the other .btos....now, how are these d*mn things accessed? It doesn't show on the list of trees in the Tree Lab, those come from the 'treeshapes' directory in Bryce (and I'm working on cracking that nut to save a shape there so it does show on the list)...so what is a .bto? Any help appreciated.....long day.....

"bryce tree object" Just alt-click the tree crate icon and select your saved shape. Wait a minute an it will generate your tree. BTO files are smaller than obp files but they don;t save your material information. So when you re-create your tree from a bto file, it will have the same shape but it might not have the same materials - so you should save them in your presets.

Thank you, Madmaxbr5, if it doesn't work without the patch I'll save it as an object, for some reason I have the choice of doing things with trees (patch installed)or doing things in the DTE (no patch but all the DTE menus work), but not both,....sigh

Zahnn, out of curiosity, when you say it locks up your computer.. you don't mean that annoying bug when a Bryce window gets hidden behind the main one, do you? When it locks up, hit the ENTER key and see if it unlocks it. Just a stab in the dark.

Hit enter, is that what you do? I'm always having trouble with this but I thought I had to shut down Bryce and start again for it to work. Catlin

Cat, well yes, if we're talking the same bug. Enter or Escape will work. It sounds like Zahnn's problem is an entirely different bug though.

Enter and ESC just annoy Bryce, they don't do anything in this case....:(

My problem is that after working in the DTE for a while, especially when making lots of changes, it will open the material lab and go no further. This is usually when I'm changing from user mats to installed mats. Catlin