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Subject: Dynamic clothing overrated
It is what it is...and what it is, I suspect, is a step forward that someone will take further. The Wright Brothers didn't build a jet plane. So, yeah, what they got in the air was primative but they had to start some place. I think if there's an interest, we'll see another jump. Clothes that couldn't move jumped to conforming clothes jumped to dynamic cloth. Problem is that we want it all without allowing for the steps in between. My bet is the someone is working on the next generation of clothing as we speak. They are just smart enough not to talk about it.
I usually just use the dynamic clothing function to create morphs for conforming clothes (sitting and motion morphs for a skirt, drape morphs for a blouse or curtain, etc.) I agree that the process is too cumbersome to be an effective replacement for conforming clothes. Makes dynamite morphs, though. :-)
Spit says:"It stifles your creativity and interferes with workflow."
I hear ya Spit.
The more features they put into Poser, the longer it takes to setup a scene. Even these so called "improvements" are not perfect. One must spend enormous amount of time to fine tune the features.
I find myself combing through tutorials after tutorials, nightly before I actually start on a scene (er I should call them projects now).
In the "old days" an average scene took me a few hours to setup. Then I move on to render the scene and postwork. Now it takes days to setup a scene. One must almost be a rocket scientist to use these programs.
Not that I am against the improvements, but somehow I wonder when it becomes too much and takes the fun out of this hobby.
JV :D
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I love it, (within its limitations that is) i would never attempt a jacket or or anything like that with it but, well look at this as an example http://www.poserworld.com/steve/sstudiorender.jpg to model that would take days, this took about 4 minutes to simulate and no way would conforming dresses look as natural, now if only we could have the cloth room in P4 :o)......Steve
Yah, it could be a PITA to use in every situation, but then again, it -is- the easiest Dcloth simulator I've seen, as well. The morph idea is a good one. Another good use is to create dynamically shaped props for stills. Pose a figure, use primitives to simulate whatever figure is standingsittingreclining on or over, drop a simple sheet prop that's been clothified over them, choose the frame you like and export that version of the cloth as an obj, and you have a premade prop. If nothing else, clothifying just about any outfit lets you drape it over a rock or piece of furniture. Hmmm. Now I'm wondering what you would have to do to allow an animated character to pick up such a prop and hold it in front of themselves, say in a mirror....
And having hit the send button before finishing, you could also use the function to allow you to deform things like pillows, place a dent in a wall that just fits a character or object striking it, or drapes being swept dramatically aside, nigh onto -anything- with a little experimentation. It may take some specially created basic props to prevent them from becoming flat, but the cloth room could easily turn out to be a poor man's environmental deformation tool. With P5, we're at that stage just before Kozaburo blew everyone's socks off with his first transmapped hair prop. Poser's fun has always been taking the app, standing it on it's side, and doing things never intended with it.
I like the idea of using it to fit clothes to other figures, which I picked up from PhilC and Serge Marck, and I figured out a while ago that I could make a deformed mattress (you know what I mean) complete with sheets, etc., with a bit of ingenuity. I discovered a use recently that I'm not sure about the practicality of. It works, usually.... You know that you can "clothify" body parts? And when someone squeezes a clothified arm, it makes indentations in the cloth (skin)? I don't think there's any question that for someone who is just doing illustrations rather than creating "art" [;)], dynamic clothing is a Godsend. (Though I have to say that I think one mundane reason for the proliferation of naked Vickie's is that getting her clothes to 1) fit and 2) look like cloth was beyond the post skills of most of us.) I'm sure that drawing realistic clothes in PSP is fun and all that, but if I'm just trying to add a walking woman to an illustration for a magazine, why should I spend 95% of my time making the dress look like it's not made of hard plastic? Dynamic cloth has its problems, but it's a huge addition to the Poser toolkit. M
Tell me about it, LD. I'm just getting started with Truespace, and have no idea how long it will take to get competent enough with it to try some of the ideas I have (=NICE= one about the sail material in the dragon wings, though. Hmm. Wonder if it would be possible to take the DAZ wings, and replace the sails there with new polygon sheets with a higher count, and define them somehow so they could be clothified in relation to attachment points on the wing frame. Getting the wind effects just right would be a PITA, but the results....).
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ming: Uh... No.... It is another reason to buy it and learn it. :) Check out www.3-AXIS.com It will take the greek out. Joe @ 3-AXIS
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Fine with me. Don't buy it or P5 and don't learn it. No big deal. No sweat by me. I was just trying to give you options. I think that if you looked into some training videos for other products that you would find this price right in line or cheaper than most. I can't use another Poser video as an example because there are no others. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Oh... and yes, the horse would pay $59.95 for the water if he was thirsty. He would get a 2 1/2 hour drink of water out of it too. Ah... very refreshing. ;) LOL All the best, Joe www.3-AXIS.com
I think your video is great Joe. The instructor, however, is another story (maybe he needs some morphs and postwork) hehe couldn't resist. Other videos (IE Photoshop and Illustrator) are selling for $99.00 a piece. I think your Poser 5 Demystified is a bargain. Lot of useful "hands on" stuff right off the start. :D JV
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Dynamic clothing is WAY overrated. Sure it looks great and you can drape it on most any pose.. BUT It stifles your creativity and interferes with workflow. You have to do things in a specific order, with a specific methodology. Heaven forbid you should wish to modify your pose in your scene..you have to interrupt yourself to redo the simulation. Perhaps over and over as you work with your scene. You can do only so much scene setup with naked figures. It really isn't practical. Thoughts?