There is a certain person here, one who posts "ALL" the time, but does'nt have a gallery, doesn't have an "artist" page, doesn't have "ANYTHING"? What is up with that? I really don't care if you have a page or not, but this person seems to comment on EVERYTHING and ANYTHING? What really bothers me is........he/she gets feedback for what-ever he/or she says........but why do you guys answer to someone who isn't even an artist here who wants to share and learn from the forum? genny

Don't know to whom you refer, but that seems a bit shortsighted at first glance. I actually think, since you asked, that WHY you ask might be a more important question. Of course, you have a perfect right to, as much, I might, as this person you ask about. So I guess it's all relative to where you're coming form. Frankly, though, I would submit that this person's motives are their own. Kind of like asking why one chews a certain brand of gum - or not. My 2 cents. Just since you asked. Larry F

The forum is open to everybody. There is no requirement that anybody has to post any art to participate in the discussions. Some people, like myself, use Poser for animation -- not for still renders. It's difficult and time consuming to post animation on this forum, although I salute the people who have done it. What exactly are you "suspious" (sic) about?

I have a company which creates computer games. I use Poser, Vue, Bryce, Wings3D and Painter in my work of creating graphics for the games. I have no artist page here, nothing in Free Stuff section. But I get a lot of assistance here and can give some sometimes.
I thought that is what this place is all about? >'Forums'

Personally, I don't check to see if someone has an artist page or a gallery before replying to them. Why should I? I don't have an artist page. I might do one eventually, but probably not. I'm not comfortable with that kind of thing. I've got a dozen personal web pages, devoted to various hobbies, and not one of them has any personal info about me. Speaking of which...many people who post here have galleries elsewhere, either on their own web sites, or on other 3D sites like 3dCommune, PoserPros, or Renderotica. Renderosity's very generous with their gallery space, but their server troubles can be frustrating, and so can their cryptic TOS. Some people prefer to post where they know their art won't be deleted, or where they'll get a smaller but more targeted audience.

Perhaps some people are "students of Poser" more than they are artists? And, er, is that a bad thing?

The important thing is that people in a community contributes. If they contribute with gallery images, free stuff or advise/opinions/comments in the forum doesn't matter. I have never checked if a poster here has a gallery or not. I don't care. But I must say that the fact that some people do makes me suspicous...

I'm both lol I show my gallery work just to show that Um I really don't know whats going on so you all will pitty me and help me out lol --Essie

The only time where the "gallery or not" question can be valid is when we're talking about Trolls. As I do not know who Genny is referring to, I don't know it the person can be characterized as a troll or not. I have noticed that the majority of the people who have bought my stuff have neither a gallery nor free stuff or anything else. Nor have I seen them in the forums. Now either they use a different name when they shop (apparently some people prefer that, I don't know why) or they are really "unknown" people :o) But they support me and Rosity by buying from the Marketplace.

I was just curious, and I suppose maybe it's just my nature to think it's suspicious? Really didn't mean any offense to anyone (that's why no names were mentioned) and I usually don't check if anyone has a gallery unless a person posts a lot. Yes, I admit, I was a bit short-sighted and they could have galleries else-where and Of course they have every right to post what-ever they want.....didn't mean to give the impression either. I was just wondering? genny

I don't have a gallery here either (mainly because I haven't found anything worth posting and don't have the time) nor do I upload files because I don't have one of those expensive programs for creating them, and I post a lot of messages. I primarily use the forums to find out what's new and purchase a lot of items from the Market Place. I really wish I could find the time to set up a gallery. Now that I think of it, I do have a lot of old Poser scenes I could post. So if it's me, that's why. Probably one reason people don't have galleries is because certain people bitch all the time about Poser users not being artists so why bother.

I think a lot of people are too shy to post their stuff in public. Not everyone is comfortable "showing off" on the Internet. Either they think they're not good enough, or they're afraid their work will be pirated. And face it, the galleries are basically for broadband users only. Dial-up users will DL free stuff, buy stuff in the MP, and maybe post in the forums, but they won't browse the galleries. And if you don't look at the galleries, you're not likely to upload to them.

Well, it's probably redundant to add this, but I post here a lot, and don't have a gallery or freestuff. My freestuff is at 3d commune and my brokered stuff at DAZ. I never render in poser other than to check things I've built or do promo pics. All's I do is build models. Thing is genny, everyone here uses poser in their own way and that affects their activities in the community. There's no reason to be suspicious if someone has a gallery, but never posts Freestuff or answers topics in the forum, so why in this case? To me, it's like asking directions in the street. If someone tells me the way to go, I don't ask if they're an artist. I just follow the directions. So, if I ask a question in here and someone answers me, I could care less if they have a gallery. As far as I'm concerned, they can have two heads and a beak for eating honey with. mac

I only wish I could build models, been trying to learn for so long, but it seems hopeless, anyone have any tips or hints or getting started? --Essie

Hmmm, that doesn't sound like you, Genny. A bit surprised but as you said, just an innocent sort of question/remark that you posted. About the only time I'm driven to see someone's gallery is if a gallery or talent or something makes a gallery part of the topic (the last time was by a poster here who was becoming despondant over ability). Otherwise, I take what people say for what it's worth in a "standalone" environment. Except for having a gallery, I never (very rarely?) help anyone, don't have anything for free, and other than comments like these (where I take a chance on inserting my foot in my mouth), I'm generally seeking help. So, you could have been talking about me (almost). I mention this because perhaps a lot of people are wondering if you were talking about them.

maclean: ..."they can have two heads and a beak for eating honey with..."

Didn't know there was a photo of me around here! ;o)

No hard feelings here Genny. :o)

That question really annoys me. :( I was posting in here for a LONG LONG time before I had a page or gallery. I've had my own site for 7 or 8 years, and belong to several mailing lists and have probably been using Poser for longer than most people here, and even taught it. Yet I chose not to have a gallery here until just recently. Like, so what?

It may not be everyone that doesn't have a gallery that raised the question, but, rather, the tone and subject of a particular person (or set of people). I know there are individuals I'd rather not communicate with just because I know their philosophy is so different from mine that it leaves no common ground for negotiating a conversation (and the feeling is, I am confident, mutual). I don't have much patience for endless complaining and trolling...if that's all a person does, I wonder why they feel compelled to share the misery that must be their lives. On the other hand, I agree with everyone above that there are good reasons people don't have galleries and it really doesn't have a relationship to their ability to post good information, suggestions, feedback, comments, etc. on the forum. genny is usually one of the bright spirits of the forum so I assume that there is something specific that concerns her. I believe in going with your instincts...if a red flag goes up about someone, then be watchful of them. Very few of us know anyone in reality on these forums...it is wise to be careful if someone seems not quite right to you.

It's one of the recurring debates here - some are more equal than others. Some old-timers resent the uppity newbies speaking up, others resent those with small (or no) galleries, some 3D snobs resent mass-produced Poser renders (where the artists didn't model any of their characters or props), other snobs resent it when they see heavy post-work, etc. ad infinitum. I would just say: relax and enjoy the good points of this site, and don't waste your time trying to get others to go negative with you, since that's just a downward spiral with no good end.

I have a small gallery here and I have made some freebies..but I do post maybe more than what I contribute warrants. I try not to post "help" to people since I am so far down on the "know what the hell I'm doing" scale, but I if it is a problem I have had and solved for myself, I will post to it. I also often post to "where can I find" messages. Damn that Little Dragon...he almost always beats me! Bless him for his knowledge. I think a lot of people are like me and either are not yet happy with their work or are afraid of the criticism they might receive..so they have no gallery. I am more confident in my Bryce work than my Poser and I now am able to post some images. I also have friends that post here but are too busy with their daily jobs (where they often use Poser and other 3D) to create much. I know Genny didn't mean me...I don't post enough to deserve it, yet I wanted to add my views. Diane

judging someone by whether or not they have an artist page is a mistake, now more than ever. many people have moved their galleries, vendor shops and free stuff to other websites. rosity may be the largest, but it is by no means the only poser site. It does however have the most active forums from my own experience, so you cant blame people for just using the forums and conducting the rest of their activities elsewhere.

I think maybe dialyn probably has the answer. There's probably more that sparked genny's remark than genny was wanting to say.

Attached Link: http://www.anim8or.com

Just to clarify. I'm not blaming genny for what she thought or for posting it. I was just stating my personal situation regarding a gallery. I believe dialyn has a valid point. Genny isn't a flake or a crazy, and sometimes your own instincts can be right. There are posters and *posters* in every forum and some people can be pretty annoying without actually being trolls. Still, since genny wasn't exactly clear on what this person's big crime is, I can't say 'yay or nay' to it. Essie said, 'I only wish I could build models, been trying to learn for so long, but it seems hopeless, anyone have any tips or hints or getting started?' Yep. I have tips about everything. LOL. My theory is this. If you're going to do it, do it. Most 3D apps have pretty much the same basic commands and ways of building things. So, just get one and try it. But you don't need to spend money to find out if you like building models or not. Get a free app (like Anim8or - link above) and use it. Then, if you get into it, move up to something with more scope. It doesn't need to be anim8or. There are dozens of free apps or full programs (like Amapi) of the older versions. There are tutorials galore all over the net too. Second point - Don't expect to build vicki 4 over the weekend. I've been making models for 3 years now and have never built a human character yet. That's partly my choice, since I prefer furniture. I could probably knock up a fairly respectable figure, if I read up a bit on joint rotation, etc. The point is, I'm not really interested. I've found an endless fascination in chairs, tables, windows and what-not. And it's fun! So, don't go into modelling with a fixed idea of what you want to do. It's always better to start with morphs, or props and simple objects. Once you know what programs are capable of, you can branch out. And by that time, you may have found a whole new type of modelling that interests you. The important thing is to start somewhere. mac PS Here's a steve shanks tute for a posette head morph in anim8or. http://3dtoday.com/tutorials/2000/sept/posermorph/default.asp

First let me say, that I was Not referring to anyone who has replied to my question as of yet. After reading over all your posts, I feel "enlightened" and now realize that I should not have jumped to conclusions as I did. Once again, I apologize if I offened anyone. I was tired, a bit in a bitchy mood and really didn't think it thru before I posted. Yes, I still will wonder but I will keep my opinions to my-self. (: genny

It's perfectly understandable, genny. I wouldn't worry about it. And, I can't speak for anyone else, but certainly no apologies are needed as far as I'm concerned. mac

Thanks maclean. (: genny

None needed as far as I'm concerned either.

If you weren't always such a dear on a regular basis, then someone might have started a war here...but that is just not the case. Diane

Hey, I have 3 whole images in my gallery, I'll have you know, so there, nyah, genny. wink, grin, nudge ::: wanders off muttering to herself ::: The Kate-inator

Thank you too, Dialyn...you are always such a sweetie. (: I am truly shocked at YOU, Kate.....you know your reputation is going to be "tainted" by this! LOL! and bknoh, I appreciate your comment.......I really regret that I posted what I did........but at that moment...I guess.....I just needed to vent. genny

I do not have a gallery or any free stuff. I DO use Poser daily to create art which I sell. I DO purchase many items here. If someone wants to disregard my comments because of the gallery/freebie status, that is their choice. I get a lot of help here, and in turn try to help when I can. Folks like Stewer, Les Bentley, and Ockham are invaluable sources of wisdom.

As others have pointed out the lack of a gallery doesn't mean much. I post comments periodically but don't have a Renderosity gallery. In the past I've had images at the old Zygote Hall of Fame gallery, many at the old Metacreations Image of the day honour roll and at the Bryce Forum Select Gallery. I've even had images published in real books. But I haven't posted imagery in ages, not even at my two websites. All it means is I no longer find a need to do so. However, your question has an interesting implication in that it suggests that those who "cannot do" have no business commenting on the work or artistic opinions of those who do "do". I've met many people who have no talent for producing art yet are still extremely knowledgeable about the subject and it is often worth listening to their comments or advice. Now you may not have intended this implication at all but I though it was a thought worth mentioning. - Jack

Genny, Considering that you are one of the sweetest people here on the forums as well as real life... I am surprised. Either the person in question has set off a valid alarm in your subconscious, or something just hit you at the wrong time. (The 90 degree heat here may be contributing... I just about died in the March today.) You've seen my walls so my lack of a gallery here shouldn't be a problem (for 15 years just about everything I did on the computer was owned by other people). [side note: I still wish you'd choose something of which I have a print... I need to thin down the paper around here!] It is certain that there are artists who use Poser as an aid to physical paintings or who work in industries where the publisher controls all rights to final product or who do animations or holographs or courtroom reenactments, etc., where they can't post anything but their opinions and (hopefully) helpful information. If we didn't have nuisances, we wouldn't appreciate the folks like Traveler and Cooler and Little Dragon and Dr Geep and those others who do so very much for the community. Carolly

Thanks Carolly, your words are very much appreciated. (: I will take a rain check on the print, I really love your art work. Hopefully, the next "Poser Party" I will be able to attend and pick one up. (: genny

You know .. until I became a mod I had no gallery here. I was asked by the admins to post some pictures becasue it worried the members that I didn't have any lol (and then of course I got grief since all my images were rendered in Bryce ...there's no winning) Not everyone is attached at the browser to this site .. there are a great many people who actually have lives outside renderosity. I don't blame them for not having galleries and freestuff, et al. As a merchant I recognize exactly one name of all my purchasers. And thats even with the huge number of names I recognize from here. Its nice knowing that people who have no idea who I am, or anything else, still come here to buy stuff. So in the end? I wouldn't worry too much about someone's lack of gallery. ... for all you know they have a massive website or are under a contract where they can't publish. Lyrra

I am truly shocked at YOU, Kate.....you know your reputation is going to be "tainted" by this! LOL!<< Hah! Shows how much you know. ;) My gallery just proves what I've said all along - I am not an artist, I just make the occasional pretty picture. snicker KateThe "I am not an artist, nor do I play one on TV" Shrew

Well, that's the trouble with this Internet thing, isn't it? You can't see the person you're talking to, there's no body language, no facial expression or tone of voice, so you have to look for other clues. Sometimes you need to know more about another member before you can judge how to react to them. Spookily, I put some images in the gallery only recently although I've been posting here for a long time. That was for the reason genny suggested, that maybe people would want to check me out and see if I'm "on the level". So now everyone can see that I'm not. :)