I told you I'd keep you posted so here he is after two days work. Ernyoka: You were right making the pins a smart prop was easy once I figured out not to Inherit Bends, and after I exported the pins to a wave object and then re-imported the new object. Ockham: Thanks for trying but one pin at a time was easier than the Tiler, but I do have ideas for the Tiler in some other projects. Everyone else who offered their help and tips thanks again I hope you enjoy. Yes, Im still working on the skin textures but I had to make sure I was going to be happy at this point before I go on to a better skin texture. Still experimenting with some different methods to create cut and torn skin so far they are working out nicely.