Something that has been bothering me is the number of images that have nudity in the preview, or nudity in the picture itself, yet do not state that it has nudity in it. Is it just me or does this bother anyone else. I have a 7yr old son and my family and friends like to view the artwork here as well. Can we put the word out to please use the filters available to us to let others know weather a pic has nudity/violence in it? Not trying to be a sourpuss just that as artists we still have to be responsible enough to remember that there are those out that that dont wish to see the nudity/violence. Hope I am not upsetting anyone, just tossing out an idea. Thanks all and be safe!

Yes, you're over-reacting. Move along citizen nothing to see here.

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I don't think you are over reacting, whilst most of my images have nudity in them I can understand that not all people want to see it, but offten the lack of a nudity flag will be an oversight, sometimes people just forget to tick that box. So it's good to be reminded, keeps us on our toes!

Don't take this wrong Moonbiter, but I think you are over-reacting to this thread. This is an age-old subject and will be re-visited time and time again. We should use the Nudity and Violence Tags where applicable. It is part of the TOS of this forum. Accidents do happen and intentional abuse does happen, but everyone has the right to express their opinion here. That's why it is called a Forum! Just disagree politely and 'move along citizen' as you yourself put it. I'll get off my Free Speech Soap Box now and go back to playing wih my naked dolls! You slipped in under me there Les, you're too quick for me!

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"...but everyone has the right to express their opinion here." Really, when did we have a site policy change????

"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll fight with all my strength so you have the right to say it..." (or something like that...:) Rousseau, if I'm not mistaken?..................

Sorry, I was responding sarcastically to an oft debated question that bugs me in the way it's presented. Every time you see one of these nudity tag messages it has some line about "my kid is 4 or my daughter was in the room when those titties popped up!" It's never I don't like nudity. It's always about the children. I have an 11 and 6 year old sons. They aren't allowed to visit renderosity and when I cruise the galleries I don't do it with them in the room. If by chance I see an image I'd like to share with one of them I invite them in to see it, but I'm adult enough to know that being an art site the galleries and forums carry the risk of nudity. If they see something they shouldn't well that's my fault not the fault of someone forgetting a tag. Next time I'll lay off the sarcasm..

Moonbiter, I can see your point and I share your feelings on this matter. I'll even go a little further by stating that nudity in art has never corrupted the masses, at least here, in Europe (the walls of the Capella Sixtina, in Rome, are covered with "nudes" made by Michelangelo). And that's the way I brought up my child to think. But, some people don't see it that way; therefore we should make some space for them --with the understanding of course that they shouldn't attempt to force their beliefs upon those among us who happen to think along different lines. And as the rules in this site demand for a flag --let's hit the flag and have everyone happy. I don't think your sarcasm had a malicious intend though. Cheers :)

Its ALWAYS about the children. An excuse used to strip everyone else of their rights and freedoms. Other excuses are "the environment", "the world", "for freedom", "for peace", "for equality", "for justice", "for the poor and starving and sick". Reducing everyone else down to no rights for the worry of some children in someone else's house who that person should be controlling to begin with is wrong. It is your responsiblity to raise and protect your child, not mine to shield your child or guess what you do or don't find acceptable for them. Some parents don't like war and war images, even those of guns, to be seen by children. Should we label all gun pics? Perhaps we should just default all posts to Nudity and Violence just in case someone gets their feelings hurt.

Whache,... "yet do not state that it has nudity in it". Not sure,but I think you might not understand how the nudity flag works in the galliers. If a person used the nudity filter when they posted,and you have the nudity filter turned on (in your member profile),you are not going to see a warning....your not going to see the image,title or the preview at all. (It isn't like the violence filter that labels with a red warning.) Sometimes you will see "(nudity)" or "(some nudity)" in the title. That has nothing to do with the nudity flag/filter,but was just made part of the image name by the poster,and serves no purpose as a filter(but perhapes a ploy to get more "hits"). Course this all depends on the poster setting the filter in the first place....if not contact a Mod and they will set the flag. Hope this helps,SWAMP

I don't like the nudity....I don't like the nudity! PLEASE use the Nudity flags.....I give up on asking people not to put nudity in the thumbnails.....

"(but perhapes a ploy to get more "hits")."

Ya think? ;) LOL!

That and because some people have a problem with setting their setting in their profile. So we do that to be nice. But we don't have too. ;)

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This edit function is great but we still need a built in spell check.

No you are not over-reacting, this is a much your forum as anyone else's and you have the right to ask that the tos be followed. Marque

Just out of curiosity how do you handle going to a museum and seeing the old masters or nude statues? I guess that I raised a little strange, because I was always told that if something bothered me not to look, watch or listen to it. That if I had questions about about it, talk with Mom or Dad... I was reading on the Adult level/college level by the time I was ten and read some books with some racy stuff in them. Again I was told to either skip over those parts or ask questions. I am not a parent, but this seems to be a reasonable attitude. Most of my friends who do have children have the same basic kind of attitude. At most the might tell the kids if a nude scene comes on at the movies to close their eyes. What bothers them more than skin is the language that is being used today....

"Due to the content and issues discussed in our forums, we ask that anyone under the age of 15 receive written permission from a parent before joining our service." No one forces an individual to view the content. If the TOS & the flags are not being used then that is an issue that needs to be addressed. If you are worried that your child(ren) are going to be exposed to content then dont view it when they are around. I've never fully understood why a village needs to raise a child when its the parents responsibility.

It's an agreement. We agree to abide by the TOS when we post. If there is a nudity flag rule, we, by posting, have agreed that we should use the nudity flag. True, sometimes people forget, and they should correct their mistake when it's pointed out to them. It's a commercial site that has rules, and we should follow them if we're going to use their service. Their site, their rules. Also, it's common courtesy to post a warning. Some people don't like nudity, and by not using the flag your inflicting your opinion on them. I feel sorry for people who have such problems with the human form, but I have no right to go out of my way to make them feel uncomfortable. Of course, parents. if your kid is looking over your shoulder and sees a naked body, it's partly your fault for taking the chance when the kid is around. Frankly, I'd be more concerned over exposing them to the violence in the galleries than the nudity. I'd rather have a kid used to the human body, and not think of it as something to be afraid of or ashamed of. I wouldn't want a kid to ever get used to violence, and accept that hurting someone or something else is at any time acceptable.

I don't think the point should be WHY the original poster asked for the nudity flag to be used. It could be the children, it could be they (like myself) browse the galleries during lunch at work, or it could be they simply don't like nudity. The FACT of the matter is - it doesn't matter why - you are obliged (having agreed to the TOS by posting the image) to use the nudity flag on images requiring it. Morals aside - it is the law (contract law, in this case). This is due to the fact that Renderosity could get into alot of trouble should someone kick up a stink (and yes, it's not that hard to kick up a stink in some parts of the world - particualrly the US).

It's not just about parenting, many people (myself included sometimes) view the site during downtime at work. In my workplace, I doubt if anyone is "prude" or offended by human nudity, but as a matter of common professionalism, I avoid all nudity-flagged threads when at work. Now the babes in undies in the banner ads, pretty hard to avoid, LOL, but I'm not complaining about that. Use of the nudity tag is more than just a requirement, it's a courtesy for all sorts of reasons.

If people -- for whatever reason, including their kids -- want to avoid bringing up images with nudity in them, they should have the ability to do that. It does NOT infringe anyone else's "rights" to expect them to take a fraction of a second and flick the "Nudity" flag. Personally, since Renderosity has a somewhat restrictive TOS (compared to some sites), most of the nudity at Renderosity is so mild that I don't really care of my kids see it. I'm a lot more concerned about violence than nudity, and I've found that people are pretty good about setting the Violence flag. bonni

"Moonbiter, I can see your point and I share your feelings on this matter. I'll even go a little further by stating that nudity in art has never corrupted the masses, at least here, in Europe (the walls of the Capella Sixtina, in Rome, are covered with "nudes" made by Michelangelo)." I'll go even further than that by stating even nudity OUTSIDE of art has never corrupted the masses. However, the censorship of nudity HAS. People are brainwashed into thinking that nudity is equivalent to pornography, which has no basis in logic. The only way viewing a nude figure would corrupt your mind is if you have been trained since birth that it should. Censorship (even self-imposed) of nudity has no place in art.

Great thread here.

I dare say I deliberately put a snippet of nudity in a thumbnail solely to see how many hits I'd get. (Close to 600. The closest one after doesn't even have half as many hits.) It was an experiment that I likely wouldn't indulge on a regularly basis. While I'd love to get more hits, I have no desire to go that route to get it. So the few images I have with nudity pretty much get ignored, like everything else I do, because the nudity isn't advertised. Whatcha gonna do? Even so, I always use the 'nudity' and 'violence' flags. Forget the TOS; it's the responsible thing to do.

I don't worry so much about the nudes here and my kids. I spend a lot more time raging about the f*&^#*$g adult pop-ups. I find those a lot more offensive, not simply because they're terribly graphic, but I didn't invite them into my home and never would.

kmw

Thing is, Nudity in artwork doesnt bother me one bit. I am an artist and have done nudes quite a few times. Problem is that I do view this from College while on breaks and such and often am caught by suprise when some hooters pop up on the screen big as life. Its a simple request asking people to follow the TOS out of respect for others. I do have a son that loves artwork. I do let him view the pages under restriction and close scrutiny. Im not trying to start a well im right and your wrong fight. We are all a part of this community together and I love to view ALL of the work here. I have honestly learned more from this site and my fellow artists here than anywhere else and for that, I will be ever greatful. No, I do not believe in forcing my views on others, nor do I wish others to force thier views upon me. Again guys, this isnt a fight or a nasty gram, just a question asking people to remember the tags simply outa respect. thank you all greatly for your input on this and for keeping the replies both entertaining and thoughtful. makes a guy feel good when his fellow artists can answer in adult manners, and still have fun with the subject. Thanks again.

" It's not just about parenting, many people (myself included sometimes) view the site during downtime at work. In my workplace, I doubt if anyone is "prude" or offended by human nudity, but as a matter of common professionalism, I avoid all nudity-flagged threads when at work. Now the babes in undies in the banner ads, pretty hard to avoid, LOL, but I'm not complaining about that. Use of the nudity tag is more than just a requirement, it's a courtesy for all sorts of reasons. " One could argue that it would be a courtesy to us if you simply did not view the website while at work, and refrained from doing so until you were in a more comfortable environment where simple artistic nudity would not be a concern of professionalism.

I always use the 'nudity' and 'violence' flags. Forget the TOS; it's the responsible thing to do. That's it in a nutshell. "Rights" go both ways. You have the right to put nudity in your images. I have the right (according to the TOS) to know about it beforehand so that if I have some reason to want to avoid it, I can. Nobody's rights are infringed if people just act responsibly and take that fraction of a second to set the flag. ;-) I DO happen to think that the North American preoccupation with nudity as an equivalent to pornography is bizarre and misguided, but that's another discussion entirely. This thread is supposed to be about setting the nudity tag on images posted at Renderosity, and there's absolutely no reason NOT to do that, IMHO. bonni

Whache, I once turn on the Nudity and Violence Tags for the gallery. I only found 3 pictures afterward. Sigh! I just avoid the gallery when other members of my family are around. But I wish there were no nude thumbnails.

"This thread is supposed to be about setting the nudity tag on images posted at Renderosity, and there's absolutely no reason NOT to do that, IMHO."

I agree. If you are intent on posting your images here, then follow the TOS of the site in doing so. Which is exactly why I probably will never post my artwork to the galleries here. I dont' agree with the TOS or this website's methodology when it comes to self-imposed censorship. My images and animations amost NEVER contain nudity, but as a matter of principal, I do not contribute to the galleries here.

I do enjoy the forums, however, and have nothing against those who post their works. :-)

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Elizabyte and Maxx have said it best.

I dont' agree with the TOS or this website's methodology when it comes to self-imposed censorship. My images and animations amost NEVER contain nudity, but as a matter of principal, I do not contribute to the galleries here. Hey, I think that's fair enough. :-) I'm not bothered by the TOS. I cleaned out my gallery a while back and only have a few images here now, but plenty of them had nudity in them, all flagged. I wish there were no nude thumbnails. I've wondered about that, too. I've often thought that imposing the same rules on gallery thumbnails as are used for advertising banners would be a reasonably good thing for the sake of sensitive viewers and it would fit the general "ethos" of the site (take that however you wish, heheh), but the uproar it would cause probably isn't worth it. ;-) bonni

The only nudity that bothers me is when I see myself naked in the mirror. That's when I tend to scream and run out of the room... which has it's on problems since I'm usually still naked.

I'm not going to jump in a puritan/censorship debate, i think it has been well done already. I just think that a technical modification of the galleries should be fair. The fact that potential viewers just don't see that nudity-tag enabled pictures exist in a gallery is not a good thing, in my opinion. It should be possible to allow all nudity-tagged images still appear (maybe just without thumbnail) in all the gallery preview. The tag puts a warning (like for "violence"), but you can still chose to view one, for example if you like the artist's work Again, just my opinion...

Just to add a note here: I only have one nude image in my gallery and hit the 'nude' tag when I uploaded it but nothing appeared. I tried repeatedly to edit and add it, but no. Sometimes it seems, the nudity tag can be a little temperamental. I also agre that it does seem a bit weird that although there is a nudity flag for the actual images, there are many nude thumbnails, including some male full-frontal shots. Surely this negates the effectiveness of the NF itself...

Lilybell, as it was mentioned, there won't be something special to see if you check nudity AND have allowed nudity in your profile. I have a few pictures with nudity flagged and I can hardly tell which ones, BECAUSE I have allowed nudity in my profile. It's not like the Violence tag that pops up in red, if you've disallowed nudity in your profile you just won't see that picture, in fact you'll never know it even existed.

I do allow nudity both at home and at work (but OK at work I have my back against a wall so noone but me can SEE my monitor.

At home my kids play with Poser too. Poser people do have genitals (at least some of them) and so what? PEOPLE have genitals. The first time the little kid (now age 8) saw a naked Poser man she went all *giggle-giggle, you can see his winkie giggle and then that was it. Mostly when she is playing with Poser, she uses Koshini, who has as much genitals as a Barbie Doll. The big one (age 13) also prefers Koshini and Krystal at the moment. My idea is that as soon as you prohibit something, it is 1000% more interesting.

I do try to remember to check the nudity flag, and IF I forget it is purely by mistake - or sometimes because I do not regard the image as nude. Is a naked torso ok? A male torso? a female torso? A nude Kiki/Koshini/other cartoonish character? Donald Duck without pants?

What is considered nude varies around the globe and sometimes I honestly doesn't THINK of a naked mesh as nude. Again I TRY, but I may fail :o)

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If you have your own filters set to no nudity, you shouldn't even see the thumbnails once you flag them. I'll go test this to be sure, but they might show up for me anyway. We are a bit short-handed, and as this site grows with more and more people posting to the galleries, it is possible for images to slip by. If you see an image which contains violence or nudity as defined in the TOS, and it isn't flagged, please drop an IM to one of the staff, and we'll deal with it. If you have questions about interpretation, we will try to answer. Carolly Poser Coordinator

I've never actually seen anyone reply to the point about art galleries, or even public sculptures. Do these people who are concerned about their kids seeing nudity shun art galleries or any place where there might be statues? Hide the newspapers lest there be an unclothed figure in an ad for shower fitments? I've no objection to following the TOS of the site, but I do wonder about these people who find the human body so corrupting.

And in answer to panko, it was Voltaire.

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I am with ernyoka, my 10 year old girl plays with Poser too and I see no problem with that. She has no interest in playing with Don or Judy, she preferes the animals and loves to create new poses. And even if she would play with Don or Judy I won't see a problem, she is used to see nekkid people of both genders simply because over here in Europe nudity is not hidden but treated naturally. You see nudes on the beaches in the swimbath and even in magazine or TV ads. Kids grow up with that and no one makes a big fuss about it. I even let my daughter stand beside me when I browse the galleries. I have no idea how a nude Vicky or Mike or Don or whatever could harm her?

I agree about setting the nudity flag for those who don't like to see nudity but then I expect that this people have turned the nudity filter ON in their profile. Sometimes after someone complained about the nude images in the gallery it turned out that they haven't set the filter in their profile or even didn't know about that option.

As far as i know, the "nudity" filter is set by default. So the visitors and people who don't know about it don't even see that there are images with nudity. But they do see images with the "violence" warning. Which makes me think that violence is more "politically correct" or acceptable than nudity here. I think that both should be treated the same way, for the visitors and for the default settings.

Hmm Merlin is right. Gives you something to wonder about. Just for the fun of it, I logged out and took a look at my gallery where I knew there would be both nudity-flagged pictures and a single "violence" one. And sure enough: You could see the violent pic while the nude pictures simply didn't exist. Seems like it's the same issue as in movies, where you can shoot and knock down people to your heart's content (well almost) without the movie being PG-[anything] rated, but as soon as you see a naked butt or someone kissing more than just on the cheek, it's a PG-13 or more. Hmmmm So violence is ok while love is a no-no?

So violence is ok while love is a no-no? It's an observation that has been made many times by critics of North American culture and entertainment standards, yes. To quote the film Victori, Victoria, "Kill them, but you mustn't kiss them!" bonni

Everytime this subject comes up folk reply saying "I browse r'soity at work", here's a suggestion that I follow while I'm at college - avoid the poser galleries completely! Check them when you're at home. While nudity flags should be used according to the TOS half the time they aren't. While there is the responsibility of the artist, there is also the responsibility of the viewer. As has been said already if you don't want your kiddie to see "rude" bits then don't surf the site while they are about. It's a two way street, and application of common sense.

That should be Victor, Victoria, by the way. The ability to edit only lasts a little while and I only saw that typo. ;-) bonni

Sometimes when I read discussions like this it strikes me that nobody ever explained what kind of horrible things that might occur if the kids actually happened to see the nudity that they are supposed to be protected from... Will they blow up in atoms? Be eternally condemned to some horrible fate? Enlighten me, please! As a matter of record: my parents never, ever tried to protect me from seeing nudity at any age. If that did me any harm is for others to judge, but maybe it was OK since it was European nudity. Our nudity appears to be less dangerous than the US nudity...

"Sometimes when I read discussions like this it strikes me that nobody ever explained what kind of horrible things that might occur if the kids actually happened to see the nudity that they are supposed to be protected from... Will they blow up in atoms? Be eternally condemned to some horrible fate? Enlighten me, please!" **** Insert polite sarcastic voice here**** Careful, Kelderek... such a question could influence this thread to stray hopelessly off-topic and cause it to be MOVED or REmoved by the powers that be. ;-) **** Remove polite sarcastic voice here****

I have nothing against nudity at all. I have no kids, I work from home & I have a healthy interest in the female form. I Just find the endless nudes on renderosity boring. I think the reason that there is so much nudity in the poser galleries is because its easier than putting on clothes (clothes that you have to buy or model & make fit). Its easier to launch Poser, click on victoria, click a texture, click various poses & put out half a dozen renders. It's harder to make an interesting digital image that may take several weeks to accomplish. Its laziness more than anything else. However, that is not a blanket description of all the nudes on renderosity, some of them really are quite amazing. There is a vast difference between someone who wants to create a magnificent nude piece & someone who has just pointed their mouse & rendered.

I think it's really about choice..if you choose to look at ndit, (sorry, we have a parser on our firewall at work..), then you set your profile accordingly. I don't have it at either place (keeps Data Security and the missus from getting all het up..;), but I've noticed that lately I've seen 'the full Monty' in thumbnails (something about twins..:), and I wasn't expecting that
fact is, you're going to run into all sorts of opinions here, being as many people as there are..and if you put the flag on..it will draw those who want it, and repel those who don't..it's only being considerate to the wishes of others..
the way I check galleries at work is by package..I stay away from Beginners, Poser, and have my hand on the 'back' button for Vue (though those folks have been fairly decent lately). Home is 'all and all'..;) I don't have a problem with the prescence of it, just not having the choice..(I should write a macro for Tools|Delete Files|Delete Offline content..;)

I'm not against using the nudity tag. And I agree as part of the TOS you should use it. I however don't agree that we need a daily reminder in the forums, touting your children as one of the reasons why we should do it. If you don't want your kids to see nudity, it's up to you to act like an adult and censor what you don't want them to see. While I'm pretty open with my kids about the real world and don't get all uptight if they see a boob, or even a full nude, I don't feel they need to be in the room looking over my shoulder at the plethora of nudes on this site. Which is why I veiw the gallery on my time. Side's I admit I have a hard time explaining to my six year old why that womans breasts are larger than her head... ;) As for the nudity flag at work... well the arguement could be made that you shouldn't be screwing around here on the boss's time/bandwidth anyway. If however viewing the gallery is part of your job duties, i dont' see the fact of an occasional nude slipping through the cracks as all that big a deal.

Why does the discussion always get phrased in terms of Censorship v. the Artist? Why can't setting the nudity flag be seen as social courtesy? There are a thousand and one things I do that are appropriate in one setting but not another. I'll talk loud and use profanity at the carpentry shop, but not in a library. I'll slurp my miso in Kyoto but eat my clam chowder quietly in Boston. I don't do push-ups in a clothing store or inspect labels at the gym (much as I am sometimes tempted...!) So what in 'ell is wrong with making it possible for someone to explore Renderosity without bloody severed heads and crotch shots filling the page? It ain't always appropriate to show the nudes. In some parts of this fine country, it might even be illegal and get you and Rendo in trouble! The one thing that is bothersome, tho, is that flagging the thumbs makes them vanish. We really got to change the code on that so they display a blank, but you can still tell an image is there. I was not aware that the images vanished, thumbs and all, and even though that is a setting completely under the user's control it does verge on some kind of mild censorship. Best to have a warning label and let the user make an item-by-item choice.

And by the way....re "Do people cover their kid's eyes when they go to the museum?" Well...yes they do. At the small theater where I work much of the audience is locals. It's a quiet town with a bit of a small-town feel despite being smack in the middle of the cosmopolitan mega-plex called the San Francisco Bay Area. Every show that we do (no exceptions) we get angry letters. People call up my boss howling about "terrible profanity" and "disgusting stuff we saw" -- one person was so mortified that her children were forced to listen to "two hours of this dreadful profanity" that she could only sit in her seat fuming (one wonders why, however, she didn't take the chance to leave at intermission!) The play that got that particular reaction was, by the way "Life With Father" by Clarence Day -- an old perenial based on a series of articles written by Clarence Day in 1933 about life in a well-to-do New York family around 1890. Father is a bit the outspoken chap...he says "Damn" rather often and when annoyed, "God Damn." He taketh the Lord's Name in vain and what was good enough for the New Yorker in 1933 or William Powell in 1947 was apparently too much for our dear patron! I was working the summer-stock musicals at a big outdoor theater, a family-friendly place ran by a nice gent in his 80's. Following "Man of La Mancha" we got an angry letter about our Dulcinea being nude. Somehow it didn't bother the letter writer that the lady in question was being abducted and would soon be brutally raped...what bothered them was a personal inability to tell flesh-colored tights from flesh -- on an actress eighty feet away on a darkened stage, yet. And she was afraid of seeing what? Yeah, people do get this insanely stupid. And the sort of people who do, are eager to push their views on the co-worker who is browsing Rendo during lunch, or the woman who allows her child to experiment wit Poser, or the site that dares make this "terrible filth" available to anyone who goes through the trouble of registering and giving their name and email and agreeing to the Terms of Service and.... So, yeah, I got no trouble with a little self-censorship, as long as it doesn't restrict actual access. Let's keep the "Pious Perverts" (as the writer Jack Woodward called these people) from their excuses to do us harm. Give us a nice simple "boobies in the thumbnail" graphic that can be clicked through or removed by the person browsing. And case closed.

Just had to add.... Funniest letter we ever got was after our production of "Mr. Roberts", the Thomas Hegen/Joshua Logan play about events on a small cargo ship in the latter part of W.W.II. Said this dear letter-writer; "I wish you wouldn't add such filthy language to the plays you do. My husband was in the Navy and he assures me that sailors never talked like that!"

I happen to agree with you in part, Ratteler. Removing posts accomplishes nothing. Like the ninth planet, the missing post shows its influence on the posts around it, engendering much confusion and anger. I've seen too many threads that devolve into screaming matches about what might or might not have been in a post that was removed. Let's leave the offensive post (or let the poster agree to delete it while clearly marking that it did once exist), and lock the thread around it. Are we, or are we not both strong enough and human enough to live with the evidence left by a troll or two, or an angry outburst now regretted by all the participants? I feel that hiding these only leads to smoldering resentments.

Ok, a few people have asked questions and I am goin to try and answer them. Kelderek: No, children will not blow up in tinney little atoms nor will they be warped and in need of mental health counseling for eternity. I, though, as a parent feel it is my responsibility to raise my son in the best way I know how, this means that if I feel that he shouldnt view nudity in certain ways then that is my right as a parent. Seeing a nude woman or man is, IMHO different than seeing people in sexually oriented positions and such. TOS states that you should mark images with the appropriate flags, what, might I ask is so difficult about doing that? Nevermore: Sorry to say this but you are dead wrong Nevermore, its not a two way street. The ToS is a set of rules. Rules we all agree to when we click that little button. I do have the filters checked when browsing and as such, should not have to view the images I am trying to filter. As for browsing at work, I cant and dont, no computer in a glass shop with Internet, as for school I am there from 6-12 midnight and like to read the forums, show my newly posted work to friends at school that dont have computers and so on. Merlin: Unfortunately if you have Nudity blocked and someone doesnt check the nudity in picture box, then you still see the nudity. That is what this is mainly about. Why have filters if no one is going to use them and worse off, no one cares that rules are broken. Phantast: At six, my son is hardly concerned with the Dallas Art Museum, nor would I take him there, not because of the nudity, but because Six Flags, Football and playing in the swimming pool are more his forte. As far as sheltering him from nudity? He does not get to watch sex on the tele, nor do we allow overly violent movies at our apartment. Moonbiter: First off, I havent seen daily reminders about using the flags for I am new to the forums. Second off, you said dont view it when my son is in the room, Ok, Ill send him outside or lock him in the closet as I live in a small one bedroom apartment where my computer is also in the family room. partly due to where the plug ins are and partly due to no room in the bedroom I take the time to set my filters what is censored about asking others to set their filters? Or am I wrong in asking people to follow the rules set forth by this community? Hauksdottir: Its not the fact that their is nudity here, nor is it weather I have my filters set, its that people are having thumbnails with nudes in them that are not blocked, and pictures that are not marked as having nudity in them. Graviton: While not a question, what you stated was excellent, thank you. So many people seem to think that I am against nudity. I am not. I dont have a problem with a picture of a man or a woman posed nude to convey artwork or a message sent forth by the artist. When done right, it can be truely outstanding. Oh, and I never stated I viewed it at work, I cant view it there. I view it at school during my breaks as When I am home, I would rather be working on my art cuz I have a LONG way to go I dont want to upset anyone, this isnt about infringing on anyones rights. Its about just common curtesy and clicking a button that is required by the TOS anyway to be clicked. I really dont want everyone blowing up and getting mad. I look at everyone here as mentors, people that I learn from and admire very much so. Each artist at renderosity has their own style and I love them all.