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Please forgive me while I shamelessly plug this! After months and months of work, Supermodel Vickie is available at BBay (www.bbay.com). Supermodel vickie is not a character, with changes done by morphing, she is a stand alone figure, with different mesh, which was modified from the Victoria mesh (so Victoria maps still work,). Maz has kindly allowed the commercial use of Objaction mover for this item, BTW, but once you extract her she is completely self contained. Anyway, why Supermodel Vickie? Regular Vickie is a great all-around general-purpose figure, but I wanted to do something built more along the lines of..., well, a supermodel. To my eye, regular Vickie also has some body mistakes I wanted to correct - for example, I think all the Zygote figures carry their knees too low. Now, I seen some great results people have gotten with morphs, but bear in mind you cant make clothing for them (I make clothing, remember) as there is no standard- how far do you turn each dial? Some people seem to be much better than I am, on getting the perfect angle for the render, too. Along the way, I found out a couple of things, like the ins and outs of the bent finger problem, which resulted in the Vickie CR2 in Freestuff (SMV has the fix built in, of course), and how to make hair that I can live with, which resulted in the Hollywood hair at Zygote. Ive already started on the first item for her, you can see a preview at BBay. Oh yes- the wings come off, too!

The hair model is included?

JeffH- Gee, of course, you think I'd nickel-dime you guys to death! The lingerie and shoes and wings and a not-photorealistic texture set for the figure, too, bear in mind the wings are supposed to be not-flight-ready just like the models for a certain lingerie company wear! Oh, and a choker too, I always seem to include a choker, I must like how they look.

I'm as dim as the day is long. How, exactly, is her format different from any other character you export to a library? Was it custom joint parameter editing or something else you had to do to the default .CR2?

Hi Folks! Jim, I already have your excellent negligee and G-string figures from BBay, which works fine on my Mac. Will Vicki the Supermodel work on my G3 as well? If so, I'll be ponying up to the counter with card in hand real soon. BTW--nice illustration. Reminds me of those great Victoria's Secret ads. It's about time for me to pick up another catalog. (Anybody else out there using them as inspiration for lingerie and other clothing textures for Poser women?) Peter (Dr Zik)

Does Vicky clothes pack work on her?

Do I need the Victoria figure to use this one?

I would think since Mover is required you WILL need Vicki, yes. Jim, will you release the wings as a separate prop sometime?

Hi Jim: I went over to BBay to buy some of your items (and was in an impulsive mood and probably would have purchased supermodel vicky too as she's beautifulg) when I got the screen that because I was a first time customer I had to complete the order process by "snail mail" I left...are they nuts? I can purchase thousands of dollars worth of hardware and books and whatever I want immediately using my credit card...I think they owe their artists better service..not mad at you at all and I admire your work, but they are out of their minds g now all I can do is look..... Jan

Jim, Same story here. I really wanted to buy you super(b) model, but i hate this kind of bureaucratic mess we have to go through. Maybe you should find some other way to market this beautiful babe. I'll be among your first customers... Peter

Hi, big mouth back again g I did send them an email stating the same last night...so they've been advised (and I suspect more than once) Jan

duanemoody- We'll, I'm under the impression (I never actually used one) that most all all characters get that way by way of scaling and morphs - but how do you do things like morph the hands? Save morphs for all those joints (if your up to that your a better man than I am!). SMV is a a different mesh, the only morphs are the ones I put in (and all the standard Vickie head morphs). I think there are some advantges to doing it this way, as I stated above. Peter- Thanks! She should work on a Mac, I think one of the Mac utilities includes the functiality of Objaction Mover (I can't remember which one). I think I'm going to buy a Mac copy of Poser for my G3 at work, so I can try stuff like this. Some other questions - the Vickie cloths Pac will work, but they all hang rather loose! I've started on a collection of morphs to get the items to fit, I'll try and get it up to Free Stuff this weekend. You do need to own Vickie to extract the figure. As to BBay, I know it is a rigamorile, but they were badly burned in the past, their just slowly loosening things back up. I think if you pay for the first item by Pay-pal (which isn't too bad, I did that myself for somethind awhile ago) you can get it right away - and once you fill out the paperwork the second order can be by credit card (at least that is how I think it works). Anyway, they are good people! Mehndi- gee, I NEVER release things that are part of any of my sets!- But I could certainly make a different set of wings - maybe something more "real" and put them up, let me see what I can do. Oh, other things to do - the hair really needs at least one more morph target, I'm going to do a free update that will also include some more colors, too. I've been very happy with the sales so far!

I bought her yesterday.Great stuff,specially the hair. And rendered in bryce she looks even better than in poser.

Pervers- Thanks! All but one of the BBay renders were also done in Bryce, I love the way it renders, I just wish it was a little faster - I had to let it run all night on some of the renders!

Jim, pardon my confusion on all this, but I cannot see a difference between applying one's character modifications via a morph target, full body morph, etc, over saving out an obj file, particularly since it is in fact still the Vicki object, but just with the morphs permanently incorporated into the mesh, correct? Or have you added extra vertices or something? Will peoples favorite morphs for Vicki still work on this mesh?

How did zygote handle that? Since you editted their mesh. ML

What is a mesh?

Its the base file that determines the shape of a model. A poser cr2 file just contains joint rotations and material assignments. I had thought about doing a similar thing before (an improvement of a Zygote model for added realism), but I was under the impression that , even using .Obj mover to require purchase of the original model, Zygote would throw a fit if it was sold. You would be making making money, at least in part, off Zygotes base work.

OK Jim...I'm going back over and I'll check out pay-pal. I upgraded my processor today (all the better to render with my dear g) and I'm dying for supermodel vicky Jan

Everyone who sells a Vicki or any other Cr2 file of a character made by Zygote is selling things that make money off Zygote's base work. Zygote though presumably gets a Vicki sale since one cannot use these products without the purchase of Vicki. A cr2 file ALSO contains information which can change the position of the vertices in the base mesh and thus reshape the model, not just information on color and whatnot, and this is what we around here tend to call "morph target" information. The advantage to a morph target is you can later modify it easily, adjust it's dials, if say you wish those thick lips were just a tad bit thicker, turn up the dial a tad, etc, as opposed to frozen in the mesh vertice relocations which cause one to well... have a model that is frozen totally, unalterable, unless one creates new morphs to accomplish that which one wishes. I guess the disadvantage to modifications carried in the cr2 is these characters indeed CAN be modified fairly easily, and even by accident, and then one sits and wonders what was the original dial turned to that created just that perfect look you had before, etc. That is why I do full body morphs, which is about as close as one can come perhaps to permanently moulding the modifications into the character without touching the object as possible, attempting to bullet proof the character. But as to selling, Jim is within his rights to sell alterations of Zygotes base work, so long as it is impossible to use this work without purchasing the original product from Zygote, as far as I know, and that has been going on a long time now :) BTW Jim, congratulations on a lovely model, she is just splendid :) I can tell you put alot of effort into her, and she will do well for you.

He did more than alter position of vertices. I believe he added new ones to the actual model. That requires more than a cr2 file. I was just curious about what Zygote thought about him re-modeling the mesh. "Supermodel vickie is not a character, with changes done by morphing, she is a stand alone figure, with different mesh, which was modified from the Victoria mesh" Not just altering their vertex positions. It's a completely different process.

Hi I'd like to apologize for my complaints regarding BBay and their ordering proceedure. I went and placed my order and called them...had a nice talk with Sherry Bryson and found out that merchants can be charged back...I was under the mistaken impression that once you give your credit card number the money is forwarded to the merchant..period. Not so, they are very vulnerable. So....I bought a bunch of stuff g see you Jan

I ordered a ton of things two days ago from BBay guys, by calling Sherry my own self, having a lovely chat, giving her my credit card number. She had me downloading in less than an hour.

Just a little render of supermodell in bryce.no postwork. Maybe I have to set the trans for the hair a little bit higher.But that hair renders really slow.

The transparency should be turned all the way up to max - 100%, other than that it looks great. SMV mas more-or-less the same quanity of vertices in the mesh, I removed a row in the chest and added a row in the arms. No existing morph will work, except for the head, I I don't think those will work correctly (I'm unsure). The way it worked is I could preserve the existing morphs (or dials) on 1 part, so I naturally picked the head. I was actually very suprised that those morphs work - I just assumed turning any to 100% would put her head back to regular Vickie, just like using a "full" object file will (I don't know about one that has the non V lines striped out (or maybe it is the other way around)). Mehndi- Well, I've seen the great results you have gotten with Saludi, but my mind doesn't work like that, I had to think of her as a all in one figure (which she was once I welded her togeather) and make the changes I needed, not worrying about modifing her part by part - And how can you do things like slimming fingers from morphs? (Actually, I can see how, but WOW).

Nitereug, A mesh is very simply. Any 3D object. 3D objects consist of intersecting lines that when viewed in wireframe look like a mesh or a net. That is why a 3D object is refered to as a mesh JanP

Still... the bbay shopping "system" is not very inviting. Since I really, really want this beauty, i decided to apply for a paypal account. And guess what ? I have to wait for a whole month before i can effectively activate it !!! Talk about "snailing" a couple of dollars across the Ocean. (Yep, i'm one of those annoying Europeans... so, a "nice chat" loooooooooooong distance to Sherry would also be a "nice" added cost to this "small" transaction) I respect that the people at bbay want to protect both themselves and their customers, but really, their system is discouraging, to say the least... So, i'll wait a month or so... to be able to spend some money on some very high quality items. (and forego the discounts) That's life, they say... For the rest, no hard feelings.