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Those of you who have purchased the clothing pack and started using it may have noticed that the thigh in Michael's leggings doesn't work very well and his thigh pokes out at certain positions. For that I apologize. There was no way to make them work without balloning out the geometry and that I thought would spoil the pants. I spent a solid 3 weeks playing with the joint parameters to try to get it to work. I couldn't. I thought, perhaps someone else who is very experienced would be able to. But even they couldn't. Michael's addition body part, the buttock, is apparently to blame for this. The solution is to make Michael's thigh and buttock invisible. Also, those of you who purchased it Thursday and Friday, may have noticed the applying the texture map to the P4 poulaines (shoes) doesn't work at all. My goof! They have been fixed and if you contact Zygote, I'm sure they will get the fixed version for you. One tries to double and triple check items before release, and sometimes something like this slips through. I apologize for that. Otherwise I hope you enjoy the pack. Catherine Todd aka Wynter And don't forget to sign up for Daz's mailing list to pick up this weeks free giveaway "Arthurian Crown".

Thanks for sharing that information. I'm saving up for them! I was hoping the package would include some much needed fantasy type boots as well... but alas, I must wait for those to show up. =( Anyone want to make some? I'll pay! =) Oh, PS - Will the set work on the P4 male as well? It appears that way in the title at DAZ, but then the description only speaks about Michael...

Does it read that way? I'll have to go look. The clothing pack is for both P4 guy AND Michael, so you get 2 of everything. They also make the crown sound like its for Michael only when there is actually 2 crowns, one for each. I'll have to give them a call on Monday. They have been most obliging and helpful to me. Why don't you send me a picture or drawing of the boots and maybe I'll include that in a future project. Cheers, Wynter

Sweet! That's awesome that you get a suit for both of them! As far as the boots go... there are two styles which I personally can use. The shorter Captain America style boots with cuffs. These are very popular at all the ren fairs I go to and were popular during the early-mid medieval period. The second style is the thigh boot style. These were popular in the later medieval period and renissance period.

PS - If you do decide to do these boots, I'd make a morph for cuffs on both boots... and if you can, make the morph int such a way as to not stretch the texture map. Otherwise it will look REALLY weird. =) Thanks again! And thanks for the beginning of what looks like a great line of fantasy clothing for Michael!

Oh, I'll do the boots (I'll save the image, thanks) but I have 2 other projects in line first. And then I've had several requests for biblical clothing, too. The reason I started making these clothing is that I wanted clothing like this to do renders. Now, I spend all my time making the clothing with no time to render. LOL. Well, hopefully, Daz will put out a coupon soon, so the pack will be more affordable.

OK, I am lost here or at least I think I am...About the boots posted in an image above...I am in desperate need for thigh boots for Michael...OK, I went back and read the entire thread again....Wynter or anyone reading this...I need these...Someone please do them...I am even willing to pay someone to do them for me...I haven't whined like this since being a kid but there is a project I am working on and that is the one thing that is keeping from finishing it up....Thanks

I'd be willing to chip in too, to get both of those... =)

Neither of the two boots pictured were popular during ANY historical period before the 20th century. They may pass muster at a renfair, but a lot of nonsense passes muster at a renfair. I challenge anybody to find a solid direct historical reference for these two boot styles any time at all during the Renaissance or Middle Ages. Renfair handouts and renfair company publications don't count as "historical reference". You won't find anything. Yes, the styles look very spiffy, but they aren't historically accurate. Remember to separate the two concepts.

Dogface, Challenge met. This painting by Dutch artist Gerard Ter Borch, The Duo: Singer and Luteplayer (1669, Tate Gallery, London, England), illustrates the style of clothing typical of 17th-century Europeans. Hey... notice the boots?!

Dogface, This is from a book on historical costumes, written in the earlier 18th century. Notice the high boots on the figure on the left?

Dogface, Another illustration from the book. Notice the boots? VERY simliar to the lowboots in my render.

Oh, in case you are wondering what book... Those are from a book on 15th Century French costumes called MODES ET COSTUMES HISTORIQUES, drawn and engraved by Pauquet Freres (the Pauquet Brothers)

Dogface, This is the face of a playing card dated c. 1500 Notice the boots?

Dogface, Here is an illustration from the book by Jules Quicherat entitled Histoire du costume en France in 1875. Notice the boots?

Dogface, This is a pic of French military boots of the style worn from the late 17th century to the middle of the 18th century. From the Army museum in Paris.

I think I have presented enough proof. By all means, let me know if you want more. Those of us who take our renfaires and medieval re-enactment seriously don't appreciate people who don't know what they are talking about trying to tell US that we are wrong. I do TONS of research. The SCA does TONS of research. Please don't try to put either of us down since you obviously have NOT done any research. Not everyone in the SCA wears "period" garb or footwear. The biggest reason is simple... it REALLY isn't comfortable. When you are used to walking around in comfy shoes with nice padding and rubber soles, walking around in period style footwear will give you VERY sore feet. And some people just prefer the "flair" of more fantasy type garb which has little or no historical accuracy or basis. But the two boot styles I displayed in my original post up top are DEFINATELY styles that were common for hundreds of years.

Found another one just thumbing thru... This is from a plate by Bosse done c.1630. He's got the typical cavalier type boots along with the spurs and ...er... I can't remember what you call the things you strap on the tops... it's too late here... I need some sleep.

Ok...ok... one more illustration from Histoire du costume en France showing the lower cut (below the knees) boots with cuffs.

LOL, I now have a consultant, I think. Good job, ookami! I have several resources and it is my goal to try and be fairly accurate. May I call on your opinion from time to time?

BTW, ookami. Can I ask a stupid question? You show pics of the boots you want. Where did you get those and why can't you use them? Just curious. :)

Hehe.. sure I will be your consultant... but I want a 10% increase in salary....hmm... 10% of 0 is...um... 0... ah well... In regards to your inquiry into the boots in my render... The low cut boots with cuffs are from 3D-CC, called Captain America boots. The knee high boots are from Poserworld. Both a great and done by talented people. The problem is simply that they are only for P4 Male. I was looking for boots for Michael that were very simliar. Neither has really expressed an interest in converting and I lack the skills to do so. I even offered to buy Michael for them if they agreed to convert those awesome boots for me! It would be nice to see the same type of low cut cuff boots for Vicki as well. Wynter... can I ask a question? Why are you making the medieval outfits? Is it for a specific project? Are you making a line of medieval clothing? Just curious. And I was serious... if you need any help, pictures, etc. just let me know. I'm more than willing to help out if it means more medieval clothes for Poser!

As I stated above: "The reason I started making these clothing is that I wanted clothing like this to do renders. Now, I spend all my time making the clothing with no time to render." I started doing these clothing because I wanted them for myself. I saw, others wanted them as well. Zygote (now Daz) contacted me and was interested in carrying these items. As I needed to make income to support myself, a partner with a lifelong illness, and a new Irish Wolfhound pup (now 6 months and 90 lbs) I decided to broker items at Daz. I plan to do some accessories as free items occasionally and am willing to take requests, as long as the request are not too complicated. Complicated requests will be considered for possible future sale items. I have a fondness (but am not a historian) for Renaissance and Arthurian legend style period clothing and plan to do more and cover other periods as well. I will probably jump around. If you have a particular desire for a future period or theme, let me know. I'd like to also make a dress in the style of the 19th century painters portrayed women in the Arthurian theme paintings. When people request clothing who don't make them (and I'm not whining, just stating a fact :), they have no idea the time it takes to do something like this last clothing pack. I started it in October (excluding 1 month of illness) and as you know it just went up at Daz. Though I will probably get faster at this as the period dress was the first ever clothing item I attempted to make. I enjoy the work and am now on vacation goofing off with my 3D programs. My resources for clothing are: "The Historical Encyclopedia of Costumes" by Albert Racinet "20.000 years of Fashion" by Francois Boucher "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Arthurian Legends" by Ronan Coghlan Any references you feel are particularly worthwhile, let me know. Well I'm off to the big city. See you later.

Looks like you have some good resources! Let me know if I can help you in anyway.

Picture 1 and the photograph I will give you. The rest are artists interpretations done in the 18th or 19th centuries and are, therefore, suspect--indeed, the 19th century is perhaps the worst possible era for inaccurate secondary historical sources. Can you show me the originals upon which those intepretations are based? In addition, SCA research should always be verified against independent sources--it often relies too much upon 18th and 19th-century secondary sources. Furthermore, I see NOTHING in those pictures to indicate that EITHER style as presented in the models was popular in the medieval period. Those "bulges" at the top of earlier footwear could have been a bent-over cuff, but they could just as easily been a trim of some sort. Late 17th-century onwards is not considered medieval nor Renaissance--it is usually considered part of the modern era. Puff up as much as you like, but the fact of the matter is that renfest costuming, by and large, is still driven as much by Hollywood and 19th-century Victorian invention than by solid history. I suggest you consult with the Trayned Bandes of London, probably the most hardcore history group that portrays ca. 1600 people I've ever come across. (http://www.crosswinds.net/~gardiners/)

Actually Dogface, the books I mentioned are considered leading books on the topic by experts in historical costume research, which is why I use them. I agree whole-heartedly that SCA research(or any research) should be verified by historical sources, and the more the merrier. As far as your comments on what the bulges "could be"... if you would like... I can provide more pictures and more documentation. I just happened to grab whatever was handy at the time. Also, what you need to keep in mind is this: Styles varied from country to country and from geographic region to region. ENGLAND was never considered the height of fashion during most of the medieval/ren. period. Most of the pictures I have showed you so far depict FRENCH fashions, which were different from English, Spanish, Turkish and other fashions during that time period. There was really a variety of costumes at any given time, depending on what country and what part of the country you were in at the time. As far as Renfaires go... I won't argue that a good portion of the SCA and renfaires goers are influenced from hollywood... but don't discount the minority of us who try to be a little less fashionable... but a little more accurate. Oh... and keep one thing in mind about the Trayned Bandes... they are by FAR concentrated on ENGLISH historical accuracy and do not neccessarily reflect the influences and fashions of other countries. If you don't think so... look at their list of sources... the VAST majority of them are on ENGLISH historical reference... and in addition were written in the 20th century.