The Flying Scotsman Project

TheBryster ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 5:50 PM

*If you use the 'c' function, could you not export it, turn it into a 3ds in some other program

*2 things... the export/import option works of course, but atm the imported mesh is not stable or in fact solid. It will not obey the 'Make solid when booleaned' command.

Whether or not that would negate the Bryce factor is perhaps a moot point. I'd rather not risk it.

Pipes.....mmmmmm.....giving away my secrets here......seriously, they come from a collection of 'enhanced prims' available for anyone in the free stuff and were resident on my hdd BEFORE I started the challenge. The 'u' shape and the 90degree bends I mean. The straight pipes are just Bryce cylinders.

BTW do you wanna see the whole wireframe?

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Burpee ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 7:24 PM

I think everyone would love to see the wireframe, I would. I'm curious to see how organized your've managed to keep all the boundry boxes. I tried a large modelling job in Bryce once...just once. It got so cluttered and confusing that I had to struggle to finish it.

Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 7:27 PM

I would also like to see a wireframe. Those things can become extremely wild!

TheBryster ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 7:50 PM

Your wish......

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Burpee ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 8:01 PM

Amazingly, that's a purty wireframe...it's all nice and tidy...no stray polies anywhere :) You can see all the work that you've put into this so far. You have a lot of default grey family in there, hope that doesn't bite you in the ...leg later on.

TheBryster ( ) posted Sun, 04 March 2007 at 8:06 PM

I do use families, but when I've finished working on a group I default to grey otherwise I'd run out of colours..................I also make sure I put a title in the groups, like 'Buffer Assembly' or 'Smoke Stack Assy'. This helps a lot later when I'm adding other pieces.

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Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Mon, 05 March 2007 at 12:21 PM

That is a very nice wireframe!

Rayraz ( ) posted Thu, 08 March 2007 at 6:01 PM

nice! that wireframe is pretty clean. Though wouldnt it be easier organizing materials by family colors 'n such?

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Burpee ( ) posted Thu, 08 March 2007 at 6:50 PM

Uh oh....everyone duck! ......Ray stands alone and says "what?"

TheBryster ( ) posted Thu, 08 March 2007 at 7:18 PM · edited Thu, 08 March 2007 at 7:22 PM

Rayraz: Read 2 posts up from your latest........ 95.7mb 2,946obj 4,299,462polys Thanks to Death at Midnight for his fabulous copper mats. C&Cs welcome as always. This one rendered in B6.1 (In case you didn't know, this looks better if you click to see the bigger pic AND maximize the screen)

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 09 March 2007 at 6:18 PM · edited Fri, 09 March 2007 at 6:20 PM

Just starting to set up the wheels and YES! I know they look crappy, but I was playing with metaballs to see if that was a viable methd of creating them.

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 09 March 2007 at 6:18 PM

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Rayraz ( ) posted Sat, 10 March 2007 at 8:35 PM

allright! that's kinda cool! I'm sure u'll be able to tweak them more till they're on par with the rest :)
This thing's gunna have so many cool lil details...

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 16 March 2007 at 6:39 PM · edited Fri, 16 March 2007 at 6:41 PM

Click for the bigger pic. C&Cs welcome.

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Burpee ( ) posted Fri, 16 March 2007 at 7:49 PM

Looking great.

johnyf ( ) posted Fri, 16 March 2007 at 8:59 PM

Agreed...looking good!!!

TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 9:58 AM · edited Tue, 20 March 2007 at 10:00 AM

I said the wheels in the posts above were crappy. I've now started to work on them. The spokes and outer diameter of the hub are all metaballs. I'm working on the inner surface of the rim now using the same methods. Then I have to turn the thing around and do the back faces. It isn't perfect but I'm getting there. Metaballs are very tricky and it's taken me three days to get this far........! C&Cs welcome.

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Burpee ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 10:05 AM

Most impressive....controlled metaball modelling. They can be buggers to get to behave but looks like you just about got it tamed. I know I would not have the patience.

Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 12:56 PM

It so far looks impressive, that wheel. I'm curious... why metaballs over cylindar?

I'm wondering how the whole train would look abandoned and covered in ivy. This will be a very good model to have around. Lots of possibilities.

TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:19 PM · edited Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:32 PM

D@M: Wheels like this were made in castings ie: cast iron. This gave an almost organic feel to them, with one part 'flowing' into another. I couldn't get prims to behave like that.

Besides, I think it's important that we all learn how metaballs work. The trick, if you can call it that, is to use about ten times more m/balls than you might at first think, but even a single, small metaball can make a heck-of-a difference - as I've recently found out.

What would help is if I could get a negative object to interact with a positive metaball. So if anyone knows if this is possible..............?

To date I have used metaballs to create the handrail on the front door of the smokebox and the rim around the bottom of the smokestack.

Thanks for looking, taking an interest and for your comments!

OH! And you cover my loco with ivy and I'll strangle your ass.........:lol:

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Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:44 PM

@TheBryster: Are you asking about a regular primative boolean cut with a metaball? Or doing a boolean cut with two metaballs?

Someone said something recently about pressing shift or so, at the time a metaball is clicked from the object menu to get a negative metaball.. but i never tried this.

TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:49 PM · edited Tue, 20 March 2007 at 2:49 PM

I looked this up. You can created NEGATIVE metaball, but I need to use a NEGATIVE OBJECT to cut into a POSITIVE metaball.............not sure if this is possible.

I'm sure there is a tips&tricks thread somewhere.

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Rayraz ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 4:30 PM

Nope, sorry, normal booleans and meta's don't interact :-(

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Tue, 20 March 2007 at 4:54 PM

If the metaballs are still problematic, it might be a lot easier to do with terrains.

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TheBryster ( ) posted Mon, 26 March 2007 at 5:29 PM

Bogey Wheel final...Front View

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TheBryster ( ) posted Mon, 26 March 2007 at 5:30 PM

Rear view. The outer hub, the spokes and the inner surface of the rim are all metaballs.

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Burpee ( ) posted Mon, 26 March 2007 at 6:32 PM

Dang, that's cool modelling!

TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 27 March 2007 at 4:58 PM

Thank you!!! ;-)

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Rayraz ( ) posted Tue, 27 March 2007 at 5:36 PM

haha awesome! ur a brycean megalomaniac

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ysvry ( ) posted Thu, 29 March 2007 at 12:42 AM

great modeling, and nice to see metaballs are capabel of more then gooey blobs.

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 30 March 2007 at 6:53 PM · edited Fri, 30 March 2007 at 6:55 PM

Not too much done this week. I had trouble making sure the bogey wheels were correct. I've started on the bogey assembly now, but I don't have much in the way of reference shots so this will be a bit tricky. It seems that these small wheels had their own springs in much the same way as an automobile. Then it's on to the main leaf-springs for the main driving wheels. C&Cs welcome as always. I really do appreciate all your comments. ;-) Click for the bigger pic!

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Rayraz ( ) posted Sat, 31 March 2007 at 6:11 PM

awesome! loving it! starts lookin more and more like a train with some wheels on doesnt it?

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TheBryster ( ) posted Mon, 02 April 2007 at 8:06 AM · edited Mon, 02 April 2007 at 8:10 AM

If any of you are interested in the overhaul of 4472, you can go to this link and see a week-by-week photo-blog of the workshops at the National Railway Museum in York.

This blog has helped me enormously because I couldn't find any pics of the front bogie assy or really detailed shots of the mainframes until now.

http://www.4472.me.uk/index.asp

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 06 April 2007 at 5:07 PM

Just roughing out the front bogie assembly. I found some reference shots so this should be a doddle now..

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Burpee ( ) posted Fri, 06 April 2007 at 5:16 PM

Thank you for updating ur on your progress. I am interested to see how this progresses. I could never, would never attempt this many pieces in Bryce. Right about now you are my hero :)

TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 06 April 2007 at 5:25 PM

:b_blush: Ah Shucks!

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TheBryster ( ) posted Sun, 08 April 2007 at 7:50 PM · edited Sun, 08 April 2007 at 7:51 PM

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danamo ( ) posted Sun, 08 April 2007 at 9:30 PM

Very nice Your Eminence, but then most of the heretics in this forum already considered you the bogeyman.

TheBryster ( ) posted Mon, 09 April 2007 at 6:53 AM

Thanks, Danamo. But you can just call me 'Sir'................

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TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 10 April 2007 at 5:46 AM

Wip - alternative view.

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TheBryster ( ) posted Wed, 11 April 2007 at 7:22 AM

Just the bearing blocks and suspension mechanism to do now. That's why the white shape is there. Then texturing...... This has been a good few days! C&Cs welcome.

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Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Thu, 12 April 2007 at 1:27 AM

I am really liking the wheels. Looks like there's several layers going on in just one wheel. Also like those nuts/bolts. They look like they are threaded. Definately looking impressive.

TheBryster ( ) posted Thu, 12 April 2007 at 6:33 AM

For D@M......

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johnyf ( ) posted Thu, 12 April 2007 at 9:28 AM

Great job Chris...it just keeps getting better and better!

TheBryster ( ) posted Sat, 14 April 2007 at 5:29 PM

Just about finished the suspension assembly. It could probably use another tweek or two but we'll see. I could only go so far with the reference shots I found meaning that I had to 'invent' the rest. Anyway, C&Cs welcome. Click for the bigger pic. And thanks for looking!