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LOL It was very late in the night and somehow my brain was empty...   :blushing:

I can remember when i started whit Poser a few years ago. My poser mentor was very hard to me. Sometimes, ( the most of the times) i really hated her. She really give me a hard time because i must do each pic over and over again. Until she was satisfied.
But this was the best way to learn.  And i still have to learn a lot .

Hey that is great I wish many had a mentor this way. Learning by doing with a kick in the butt sounds great. Could be me  :tt2:

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Hey that is great I wish many had a mentor this way. Learning by doing with a kick in the butt sounds great. Could be me  :tt2:

@gothic angel you are sure you dont change your nick?? :scared:
Are you maybee she????  Follow me every where in the poserworld and waiting whit a  rattan stick in your hand??  :scared:

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@gothic angel you are sure you dont change your nick?? :scared:
Are you maybee she????  Follow me every where in the poserworld and waiting whit a  rattan stick in your hand??  :scared:

The last time I looked I still was male...:tt2: .lemme search if I changed over night  :scared:

Nope everything is still on place :thumbupboth:

Wooooooh why should I change my nick. Took me almost 3 years to find this one :lol:

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@gothic angel you are sure you dont change your nick?? :scared:
Are you maybee she????  Follow me every where in the poserworld and waiting whit a  rattan stick in your hand??  :scared:

 

The last time I looked I still was male...:tt2: .lemme search if I changed over night  :scared:

Nope everything is still on place :thumbupboth:

Wooooooh why should I change my nick. Took me almost 3 years to find this one :lol:

lol . But Gothicangel is a great Nick. I am a gothic fan too. ;)

Thanks Ladonna :biggrin:
I just thought for a moment I have to change my nick :woot:

No, no way!!!!!BTW..i like your images. Sad your gallery is so small. Hope to see more images from you :)

Quote - No, no way!!!!!BTW..i like your images. Sad your gallery is so small. Hope to see more images from you :)

Spanx.....Well I had more images some time ago but I lost all my artwork in a fire so I have to start over again :unsure:

@gothicangel
Sorry to hear about this. This is really sad. I lost about 10 years ago all my personal stuff in a fire. All my baby images and all the images from my family. I have not even one image left from my live before the fire. :((((
And all the people from my family are dead. my mom, dad and my brother. ( They died before the fire)

Quote - @gothicangel
Sorry to hear about this. This is really sad. I lost about 10 years ago all my personal stuff in a fire. All my baby images and all the images from my family. I have not even one image left from my live before the fire. :((((
And all the people from my family are dead. my mom, dad and my brother. ( They died before the fire)

Well looks like we both have lost a lot. Lost all my personal things in the fire too. 
My Twin past away 20 years ago :unsure:
But Life goes on and I'll make the best of it :rolleyes:

I agree, life goes on and i made the best of it. ( I think so) . I was wondering always when people was shoked about my los. No not about my personal things. The most of them was shoked about the materiel things. They dont know. it better.

I agree...there are many things in life thats more importend . material things you can get back but other things....they will be lost forever and just memories in your life :)

I send u a IM

Jeez, I have tons in common with you two!  

@ GothicAngel and Ladonna  I lost everything I own in a fire in 1981, while I was in the hospital with pnuemonia.  I got out of the hospital and ended up on the street for the next year.  Over the next couple of years, my family died out, leaving me the last of my line.

That may be why I create art.  Maybe why I write,too.  I write of darkly, bleak things with a POV of whimsy and hope in the shadows; of Love lurking around the corner, and hundreds of other peoples and places and wonderous things just out of sight.

I had a stroke back in November, but I'm back on my feet now, and my spirit is undimmed. We get along as best as we can, but sometimes we need a fresh set of eyes to see things with eyes unclouded.

I needed feed-back on my art and renders to see if I could still do it.  That's why I joined up to this group.  Seems like we have more things in common than just the need for useful comments on our art.  ^__^ V,,

@ Joelglaine

yup yup that's true and nobody can't really imagine this until you have be gone trough all this by yourself. Sorry to hear this but I guess we know better than that. Sorry is just a phrase and it can't help you....the only way is comfort your life as much as you can do and look forward :)

Yeppers!  "Sorry" is sort of a contraction for a "I sorrow for your hard load that you carry" or something like that.  Seems like a lot of people that make art have had some pain that can't be handled ,except through the expression of things beyond the mind and heart, and on into the land of imagination.

I think you are right joelglaine. Art is something special to me. It helps me to understand my way of thinking. Sometimes your dark side must come out. The side which you try to hide. And art is the best way for me to take a look at my dark side. Really sad what happens to you. But i think you found a way how to handle your pain. Like we all here i think. :)

Quote - I Sometimes your dark side must come out. The side which you try to hide. And art is the best way for me to take a look at my dark side. 

I knew you had a dark side :tt2: I guess it's darker then dark :tongue1:

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I knew you had a dark side :tt2: I guess it's darker then dark :tongue1:

LOL GothicAngel   

OMG!  @ Ladonna--You're RIGHT!  This is a NEW Renderosity record!  

21 pages before thread going off-topic!  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  :lol:

I feel a group hug coming on! :laugh:

We now return to our critiques----

----already in progress!

Quote - OMG!  @ Ladonna--You're RIGHT!  This is a NEW Renderosity record!  

21 pages before thread going off-topic!  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  :lol:

I feel a group hug coming on! :laugh:

We now return to our critiques----

OK where are the crits :lol:

Sorry to be a stick in the mud,  much as I respect the content, it is actually REALY annoying when this thread digresses.  I benefited a lot from the critique group so I try to stay in touch whith what is going on.  It is very distruptive when I get all these e-bots yupping at me only to discover it has nothing to do with the group. ( and dont tell me to turn them off, as I said I want to stay in touch)
Couple of points about the group, if  this is still acceptable:
1.  It may have been discussed before,  but couldnt there be a central list where your name is put on or taken off  and then the computer does the rest. It was annoying to  add all members by hand to the "favorites"list  at this day and age, but it is also annoying to see that only about half bothered to add me. Some of them have definitely been around and quite active. The point is, they shouldnt have to  - it should be automatic. Also means that when you want to "bail out" for whatever reason,you dont need to go through the public discussion Anasta went through.
2.  Nudity/violence/fetiches: (related to an issue pjz99 brought up and didnt get discussed)
I have no objection to any of the above. I look at/comment  on images  with male/female nudity or any of the other  sensitive issues,even have some in my paintings. However, when you get notified about a new posting,  it has no content advisory. A recent post (probably the one that prompted pjz's comment) realy startled me. Perhaps it wasnt just the nude parts, but the associated silly school-boy face (Monty-pyton's 'wink-wink nudge-nudge say no more' style ) that annoyed me.  If I had a warning, at least I would be mentally/emotionally prepared.  I didnt want what jumped out of the screen .Particularly after I just hoovered.

@Art pearl

***It was annoying to  add all members by hand to the "favorites"list  at this day and age, but it is also annoying to see that only about half bothered to add me.

***In one point you are right. Its really a pain in the neck to add all members whit hand to the fav list.
But remember. All the people here have a real live too. Maybee some of them are have not the time in the last time ( like me) to update the fav list.
I have a very long fav list whit a lot of great friends. I recieve every day over 100 ebots. And i am sure
i am not the only one ( hope so) who spent every day hours whit the ebots. Its important for me to stay in touch whit all my friends here.
But sometimes your time is short. And you dont response comment s or you are not online for a few days.
I think you need to be a little  more patience . This group is not a " i must do" ! Leave the people a little time. ;)
Did i put you on my fav list???

Quote - OMG!  @ Ladonna--You're RIGHT!  This is a NEW Renderosity record!  

21 pages before thread going off-topic!  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  :lol:

I feel a group hug coming on! :laugh:

We now return to our critiques----

----already in progress!

Sorry Ladonna.  You dont need to appologize for having a life or friends. GOOD FOR YOU!
My comment was directed more at moderators/admin people. As  I said in the previous post
you shouldnt need to take time to add all newcomners. This is a computer based community, let the computers do the tedious work free us to do the art and/or make freinds.
And I'm not complaining about how comments I get - a handfull of good ones, and I consider myself very lucky.

PS Ladonna, I dont remember if you added me. It wasnt personal - I just know I added at least 50 and in my list there are about 20-30. 
I supoose I said "didnt bother" which sounds like I'm whining. The point is, it is a bother so couldnt it be changed?

ArtPearl
Now i added you. ;)
The true is i really dont how many people from the CC i have in my fav. list. :)
But i know what you mean. Really!

[quote] It was annoying to  add all members by hand to the "favorites"list  at this day and age, but it is also annoying to see that only about half bothered to add me.

as an aside, the "comic book guy" character was matt groening's image of himself when he got started in the bidness.

ArtPearl, both these suggestions are already on our list.

The second one (about content advisory for ebots) is definitely going to be sent to the programmers for action.

However the first one would require quite a large code rewrite/enhancement, so that's still under discussion.

yeah, it sounds basically like you're saying you wish poser had a groups.  while that would be nice, it would mean a huge rewrite.  i know i wouldn't want that job.

More and more it seems like the easiest solution would be to have a critique gallery. Everyone interested could just subscribe to that gallery and we wouldn't have to worry about 

Favoriting newcomers
People dropping out (to critque or not to critique... that is the question)
Artificially effecting the art charts
Confusion between actual favorites and critique group members
This thread turning into two hundred pages and getting a dozen alerts that have nothing to do with the critique club or critiquing...

On the other hand, if you're just posting an image and don't want a critique-- but still want comments, you could post to your regular gallery of choice (and it wouldn't generate an email once everyone has removed you from favorites).

Many people view the gallery by selecting "what's new" so the odds are, your work would still be seen by the rest of the community.

Worse case scenario...
People lose interest in the critique club and Renderosity has a gallery where people can still post with the expectation of getting honest feedback.

@Kalon this is really a great idea. A gallery for critiques.

except, as far as i can tell, there's no way to subscribe to galleries.   and personally, i have no wish to take my stuff out of the poser (or d|s) gallery just to be critiqued.  and of course, we'll have no effect on others not in the group, as we are now.  and we really will be a clique, with our own forum and our own gallery.  i think i'd rather do without critiques than segregate my artwork.

@ cobaltdream
I've never done it, but I see the link to do it. Click on your favorites, within your gallery. There is a link, fourth from the left "my gallery subscriptions", according to the description, you click it and you get an email notification every time something is posted to that gallery.

When you go to view the galleries, do you select from the dropdown and only look at , say, Poser images? or do you select what's new? I think most of us are selecting what's new. So a posting in the critique gallery would show up the same as a regular poser or d|s gallery posting. Since it would show up the same, I believe we'd still be having the same impact on others outside the group.

A few people in the group are beginning with one image and then reworking the image. The final image could be posted in your gallery of choice-- you could even add a link to the original critiqued image that you've finalized the piece and loaded to the poser gallery...

thanks for the info. wow, that's hidden.

that's not what my gallery traffic shows.  i'm sure there are numbers, but i think lots of people just look at poser images.  heck, lots of people just look at pinups.  what i think are my two weakest pics, and only "pinups" are by far my most viewed.  in fact, traffic is the reason that people who basically paint over their images fight not to be put out of the poser gallery, or at least the reason they cite when the issue comes up.

as for w.i.p. work, well, there's already a w.i.p. gallery.  no one's stopping anyone from posting there, or subscribing to it.  there's only 3 pages to it, so i'm sure it could use the activity.

Kalon seems to be extremely close to a solution.  Perhaps  you should be able to  assign your image to more than one gallery,and subscribe to more than one gallery. Then the critique group will be a gallery. You assign your image to Poser and the critique group and you subscribe to both.
Advantages:
-you can choose to not have some of your images critiqued without making a fuss about it.
-You still get poser traffic
-If you use poser and vue,  for example,your image can "belong"  to both of these galleries and get the traffic from both (I fear putting it in mixed media will get the traffic of none)

Surely this cant be such a big programming task. No need for new page layout. No need to maintain  a list  of group members. Just defining an additional gallery and checking assigned galleries in a loop rather than a single item.
(and while you are at it, enable more than one genre as well)

what you're suggesting is a many to many join.  you need a table of images, a table of galleries, and a table to join the two.  and that assumes one genre, not multiples. in which case you'd need a genre table and another many to many join table of images to genres.  now that's fine if they've already built it that way.  since gallery and genre have ids, they might have.  but given the existing functionality, my guess is that they have a table of galleries, a table of genres and an image table with a genre column with holding genre id and a gallery column holding genre id, and an author column holding user id.

if that's the case, it's a total rearchitecture of the database.  and it's the case i'm betting on, since mostly programmers don't make their jobs unnecessarily hard on themselves.  pulling from a join table mean more complex queries and more to keep in your head.  and i'm betting that it's a complete no to rearchitecture the database, as it means not only transforming  loads of data, but  probably recoding every line of code that makes up the galleries.

it always amazes me how people think if they can imagine it, it must be simple for  a computer to do.  not a dis, it's just no one thinks, "i don't know what's involved with making a new bathroom, it must be incredibly simple because i can imagine one right there."  but somehow, people think if they can imaging a computer doing it, it must be easy to make it happen.

Is it too late to get added to this? 

I would love to have my stuff critiqued...I don't seem to be hitting it with most people here and would like to improve that if I can.

I'll also do my part in providing inputs also.

Thanks!

Cobaltdream:
You may well be right, and it is a mammouth job. I did not mean to imply you and/or renderosity's programmers are not knoledgable or that they are lazy. I know nothing about database programming- got me there.So if the powers that be say its not doable - so be it.  However, to conclude  that  I know about  "making computers do something" as much as I know about  "making bathrooms appear"   is a bit of a leap.
As it happens, I have been in scientific programming for a year or two (well realy several decades)
and in any program I worked with, from fortran to C++,  it would be a reasonably easy thing to do.
Maybe  database managment is not as flexible or as advanced. You have my full sympathy. If this kind of task is a major undertaking - wouldnt touch this field with a ten foot pole.

ok, if you know computers, why are you talking about programming languages?  it's not the language that's an issue, it's the db design.  in any language, you'd have to change all your queries, and unless you were working very nicely abstracted solid class/object layer between the pages and the db (not usually the case with php development), it means rewriting all the pages.  if not, it would still mean rewriting all the relevant classes.  i have nothing to do with it, but i know what would be involved if it works like i'd guess, and it wouldn't be small, it would be an entire rewrite.

it would be even worse in a procedural language, because you wouldn't be able to have an mvc setup and each page working with the images would need to change.  what sort of programming do you do?  how do you get to do scientific programming without having to understand db design?  i ask only because all the friends i have who've worked in scientific programming have had to deal with databases.

edited to say:
let me qualify this, actually.  if this site was built using a framework, like django or ruby on rails, the relationship between objects and tables in the database would be handled automatically.  i'm a lot less sure how much of a change it would be in that case, but i still wouldn't want to do it. no matter what, you're talking about switching around hundreds of thousands of entries.  and again, maybe it was built with the possiblility of multiple galleries per image, but rendo only uses one.  but that's not where i'd put my money.

Quote - as much as I know about  "making bathrooms appear"  

thats easy! ya ring up the bathroom ppl and say "hey, i want a bathroom!" :-)

i'm sorry, that still sounds too b*tchy.  i'm just curious and somewhat confused, and too low from allergies (i hate mold!) to put things as politely and coherently as you deserve.  i don't mean this as a challenge to your expertise.  it just seems an odd assumption to me that it would be easy to deal with a total change in data structure.  i've never known a programmer who would agree to that after launch of a new version.

Never mind Cobaltdream. I should'nt have gotten into it if I dont have the time or patience to pursue it. IN THIS FIELD YOU KNOW MORE THAN ME I never challenged that.   Wheather the problem is- with the database, the program, whatever - if it cant easily be extended from one to two - I want nothing to do with it. Sorry to have wasted  your time trying to explain it.  I appologize to everyone else for somewhat digressing - i know I just complained about other people doing  it. So sorry.
Bye
Cross posts. I wasnt angry, just impatient. Lets just leave it and see what they say.

Samhal, I have added you :-)

I changed things around in the latest pic I uploaded for critique.  I editted out the old one and here's the new one: [ www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php

](http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1428246&member)At the end of the description is an imageshack link to the old one if anyone wants to compare them.

Thanks for the feedback, folks!

Karen, I think we need a way to notify people of reuploaded (edited) images.  This thread is drifting off topic from what it was meant to be....a place to sign up for the "Critique Group". 

Acadia, spunds interesting, how would you envisage that working?
As an ebot to everyone who has that artist as a fave...
Just to people who've commented on the pic...
Or both?

I would think only to those who have commented on it as they are the ones who are familiar with what the image looked like to begin with. 

I've gone to images where the person has reuploaded a brand new image based on revisions suggested in a prior upload.  All I can do is give critique on what I am seeing now, while those who have been involved in the process can give better feedback as to whether the results are an improvement.

I think I must be missing something - why do we need an extra notice when the image is a rework of a previous version? When a new version is posted, everyone in the group, including those who commented on the original, gets an e-bot message as it is now. If you dont want to comment on the revised version, seeing a promotion for it on this thread, or having two notifications sent to your e-mail, won't help, will it?
I am not  making a point againg the idea (yet?) just not sure I understand.
Also, do we want to keep this stricktly for "who is joining and who is leaving" and nothing else?
If so, do we need anything else except the first post with the list of who's in and who's out, and people who want to join/leave will send a message or site-mail to Karen instead of posting?
I am in general in favour of keeping it  on topic, but it isnt that clear what is included in the topic. Some things may be more appropriate to the art theory forum, but maybe not all.

i think, though i could be totally wrong, she meant when someone edits their image to put up a new version.  so no notification as it's not a new image as far as the rendo system is concerned.

@Cobaltdream: Aha. I knew I didnt get something, thanks. I didnt realize that replacing an image doesnt activate the e-bots.  In which case, I agree with Acadia's suggestion.