Greetings,

[NOTE: this is a notice of a message thread in the Photography Forum, please
read and comment in that message thread, "Censorship v. Advertising v. Art?"]

I saw an item on Daily Rotten: Weird News about photographic
murals on display in Abercrombie & Fitch stores. 

It seems that there were ...

"citizen complaints" ... and that

"store management had not heeded warnings to remove the images"

"Police ... carted away two large promotional photographs" ...

and "cited the manager on obscenity charges"

You can read the Virginia-Pilot online article
"Virginia Beach police seize photos from Abercrombie store"

Ahhhh welllll ... the things some people worry about ...

Comments ... please. 
[please post your comments in the original message thread,
"Censorship v. Advertising v. Art?"]. 

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Martin
 

I am still amazed about how showing the top of the butt or part of the breast is 'obscene' in this country while movies and TV routinely show people maiming each other .. and don't get me started about what passes as Lyrics for juveniles these days...

I see that agiel is,

still amazed about how showing ... is 'obscene'

Please check the original thread for many addiotional spins on this topic. 

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Martin

did A&F also get busted for posting kiddie-porn posters or something?
it's just sad when they exploit people's desire to ogle nude bodies in order
to make a few extra bucks IMVHO.

I see that Miss Nancy had more questions about,

did A&F also get busted for posting kiddie-porn posters or something

Please follow the link to check the original thread for many additional spins on this topic. 

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Martin

The poster that people complained about was illustrating the local "crack" problem :biggrin:

I see that markschum responded about,

the local "crack" problem

ROTLMAO!

That's tooooo precious. ...

Please repost your comment on the main thread at this link. 

BTW, you'll also be able to read all of the other comments. 

Thanks

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Martin

Having lived in Japan, Hong Kong, and traveling over a large part of Europe and a few other places, it constantly amazes me that America is so tight assed and prudish that nudity bothers ANYONE. Go to Europe and you'll see nudity on TV and in commercials and casual nudity in many places. They simply don't concern themselves with it. But America has this obsession with the concept that nudity is 'dirty' and will cause the complete downfall of modern civilization. I mean, man, get over it.

I see that bonestructure compared,

Japan, Hong Kong, ... large part of Europe and a few other places [with] America

America has this obsession with the concept that nudity is 'dirty' and will cause
the complete downfall of modern civilization.

Those are good points ...

If you visit and respond in the main thread, "Censorship v. Advertising v. Art? [nudity]",
you will read many additional coments on this issue. 

Thanks ...

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Martin

Quote - Having lived in Japan, Hong Kong, and traveling over a large part of Europe and a few other places, it constantly amazes me that America is so tight assed and prudish that nudity bothers ANYONE. Go to Europe and you'll see nudity on TV and in commercials and casual nudity in many places. They simply don't concern themselves with it. But America has this obsession with the concept that nudity is 'dirty' and will cause the complete downfall of modern civilization. I mean, man, get over it.

Come to my city. It's been legal for several years for women to walk around even in the heart of downtown, completely topless :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom

Priceless only in the US

Quote: *The other image is of a woman who is topless and whose "breast is displayed with her hand covering just the nipple portion," Bernstein said. "You could still pretty much see the rest of the breast."

*This is no different from any other form of a persons rights, everyone has the right to choose what they would or would not look at, (of course this does not include what a society deems illegal) and to be honest, if this is the case, then the store should have displayed a notice to the effect that such displayed murials might give offence to some people. Then it would be their own choice to view such things. The bottom line is that everyone has a right, even if it differs from our own choices.

Quote - Having lived in Japan, Hong Kong, and traveling over a large part of Europe and a few other places, it constantly amazes me that America is so tight assed and prudish that nudity bothers ANYONE. Go to Europe and you'll see nudity on TV and in commercials and casual nudity in many places. They simply don't concern themselves with it. But America has this obsession with the concept that nudity is 'dirty' and will cause the complete downfall of modern civilization. I mean, man, get over it.

Hiya

Very very true.

Daz3d and Renderosity is starting to make me furious.
They delete my gallery posts 3 times a day. Eveytime the see 1 inch of naked skin..
DANG.. delete it as fast as they can. LOL.

In the end its the poor vendors paying for it i bet.

Can anyone recommend other good gallery sites, of which i can be absolutely certain that the gallery server isn't placed where american censorship rules apply?

I know of Renderotica and Raunchyminds. But they are pretty porn oriented.

I just need a thing in between. A place where the audience dont choke in their coffe if they see a naked breast or a naked buttock.

There must be a lot of europeans feeling like i do.?

Where do they move their galleries to?

Best Regards
LBJ Denmark

I see that LBJ2 is asking,

Can anyone recommend other good gallery sites, of which i can be
absolutely certain that the gallery server isn't placed where american
censorship rules apply?

While I don't have a ready answer to your question, I suggest that if you visit
the main thread for this topic, "Censorship v. Advertising v. Art?" in the Photography
forum, and post your question there, you'll get a better answer. 

Another way would be to create your own website; set your own rules; upload
whatever you want; don't argue with your self [LOL] ... and you'll do fine. 

If you want to do that but need help with html coding, send me a site mail and
I'll do whatever you need to help create your own site. 

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Martin

I do nudes all the time and mine never get deleted so I don't know whats going on unless its that you are using the certain models that look childish, those I never make naked.

Just out of curiosity which characters are you guys using that are getting pulled?

LBJ2, you were asked to provide non-nude thumbnails. Please don't try to confuse the issue by implying that your images have been removed due to nudity.

Well  then, just provide a head shot like I do, you dont need to take down you whole gallery over a thumbnail, thanks Karen :)

Attached Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abercrombie+and+fitch+sweatshops&btnG=Google+Search

I noticed that both this thread and the other one (now defunct) at the link provided by MGD
had both degenerated into american-bashing.  however, if A&F is exploiting nudie pix
in their ads in an attempt to appeal to the LCD, that might be in line with the lawsuit alleging
that they also use slave labourers in Saipan sweatshops, that they're facing legal action
for allegedly promoting underage drinking, and of course the porno charges in various
jurisdictions.  a real class act, as they say in the states. :lol:

Quote - LBJ2, you were asked to provide non-nude thumbnails. Please don't try to confuse the issue by implying that your images have been removed due to nudity.

ha ha ha...that's is what I'm lately wondering. See today one of the most commented or viewed is exactly the thumb with what is prohibited in TOS here!!
A nude breast cover up with a black target..and obviously that is not the only one.. but sundenly one not well known person post a thumb with same referencies: a target over breast or nude figure and gets 'out of circulation' immediately! Why? Because today I assume there's some kind of politics in here.
Some can do this and that some can't.
CORRECT ME; PLEASE IF I'm wrong.
I've being in here since 1999 went out and come back again..etc..before this place were MUCH more honest in it's reviews and critiques.
Today I only can see a lot of interest first ,,when art all over the world just struggles to get even with what real people do and think.
Trying hard to get off the sick circle of 'who says who dies or who lives' if you can read my meaning.
Exception for few who are REALLY good artists, working with passion for the sake of one's  feelings and insights the big amount of rest are only 'k..a'
Guess  what! I can't understand why..
I can bet this place is a very big reference for digital artists all over the world.
Please, Renderosity Adm don't let the vicious circle go around ..do something now to make this place what use to be: A real honest place for the art's sake.
Digital art is ART as any ART made not digitally. So think about making things equal for everyone who post their work here and don't make difference because this one is your friend or else...or because this one pays monthly  a membership.
Censorship is not what is happening here. Politics yes!
Nude is beauty. If today the host that host this site is against and is pressing Renderosity to do this or that..so do it but do it RIGHT and not HALF right!
Sorry if I went too long to say a small word.    ....but it's prohibit isn't?

Quote - > Quote - Having lived in Japan, Hong Kong, and traveling over a large part of Europe and a few other places, it constantly amazes me that America is so tight assed and prudish that nudity bothers ANYONE. Go to Europe and you'll see nudity on TV and in commercials and casual nudity in many places. They simply don't concern themselves with it. But America has this obsession with the concept that nudity is 'dirty' and will cause the complete downfall of modern civilization. I mean, man, get over it.

Hiya

Very very true.

Daz3d and Renderosity is starting to make me furious.
They delete my gallery posts 3 times a day. Eveytime the see 1 inch of naked skin..
DANG.. delete it as fast as they can. LOL.

In the end its the poor vendors paying for it i bet.

Can anyone recommend other good gallery sites, of which i can be absolutely certain that the gallery server isn't placed where american censorship rules apply?

I know of Renderotica and Raunchyminds. But they are pretty porn oriented.

I just need a thing in between. A place where the audience dont choke in their coffe if they see a naked breast or a naked buttock.

There must be a lot of europeans feeling like i do.?

Where do they move their galleries to?

Best Regards
LBJ Denmark

Contact me! I maybe can help you about that.
Right now I'm re-starting my site/domain after a hacker's attack..and will have in it some people that wants to show their works as well theirs freebies ( I got pretty good space and also good bandwith!) to download.
For the very moment I only charge you with help to build up the site again..hopefuly I can keep like that forever.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2730978

The use of pasties to cover nipples is allowed, the linked thread may help you understand some of the subtle nuances involved in how thumnails get assessed.

Quote - > Quote - LBJ2, you were asked to provide non-nude thumbnails. Please don't try to confuse the issue by implying that your images have been removed due to nudity.

ha ha ha...that's is what I'm lately wondering. See today one of the most commented or viewed is exactly the thumb with what is prohibited in TOS here!!
A nude breast cover up with a black target..and obviously that is not the only one.. but sundenly one not well known person post a thumb with same referencies: a target over breast or nude figure and gets 'out of circulation' immediately! Why? Because today I assume there's some kind of politics in here.
Some can do this and that some can't.
CORRECT ME; PLEASE IF I'm wrong.
I've being in here since 1999 went out and come back again..etc..before this place were MUCH more honest in it's reviews and critiques.
Today I only can see a lot of interest first ,,when art all over the world just struggles to get even with what real people do and think.
Trying hard to get off the sick circle of 'who says who dies or who lives' if you can read my meaning.
Exception for few who are REALLY good artists, working with passion for the sake of one's  feelings and insights the big amount of rest are only 'k..a'
Guess  what! I can't understand why..
I can bet this place is a very big reference for digital artists all over the world.
Please, Renderosity Adm don't let the vicious circle go around ..do something now to make this place what use to be: A real honest place for the art's sake.
Digital art is ART as any ART made not digitally. So think about making things equal for everyone who post their work here and don't make difference because this one is your friend or else...or because this one pays monthly  a membership.
Censorship is not what is happening here. Politics yes!
Nude is beauty. If today the host that host this site is against and is pressing Renderosity to do this or that..so do it but do it RIGHT and not HALF right!
Sorry if I went too long to say a small word.    ....but it's prohibit isn't?

Softcris thats not it at all. I can honestly tell you that the mods and admins here make every effort to enforce the rules across the board fairly. It's just that on a site this large, with all thats going on here, sometimes a few slip by them. If you see some that are breaking the rules and got through, contact a moderator or admin about it.

Syphex is right. Sometimes we do miss a few, it doesn't mean we are being unfair..it just means we missed a few.

If you see an image or thumbnail that you think may cross the TOS, use the 'report' feature under the image to let us know, and we'll take care of it ;)

Thanks!

About being unfair or not...It's not my job to 'tell tale' about this or that thumb...it's your job staff to do it.
BTW I believe it's total bull all that...as I had a misunderstanding with one of you it does not means that I'll from now point out who's doing it or so..

Only post it here because as a human being with all the faults that one has plus some others..I felt my work or me were unfairly judged when some here post same kind of stuff I do and got they work praised and top listed. (Attention: talking about cover breast or so over a thumb!)

Sorry 'but we can missed a few' it's not an excuse. If a post got so much attention to get top of the list - you can't miss it!
Actually that's not my case, never was and probably never will - top the list. Anyway my image thumb got the eyes of one of you and was imediately taken off.
Actually to my good sense of humor and bright insigt I used  the banner to cover with a joke in it: 'are you over 13?'
Not one of my best images anyway but the thumb was:  probably the best cacht eye I ever posted here. Just a technical trick to drag visitors to my gallery.
Politics????
Can I play the game too?
You can judged what you read.
Thanks for caring you who do.

Quote - About being unfair or not...It's not my job to 'tell tale' about this or that thumb...it's your job staff to do it.

In that case, please do not complain about inconsistent application of the rules. Thanks.

I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again: there are thousands of images posted here every week. We have a limited number of volunteer staff who all have "real lives" and most of them have full time jobs as well. The number of potential TOS violations that our team miss is exceedingly small given the sheer number of posts; however, as soon as one is missed, there are always certain members such as yourself who assume that we've deliberately ignored a violation. Why you would assume that, I have no idea.