I know there is a similar thread, and I do not want Vista, but I have a AMD 64 6400+ dual-core with 4 gigs of RAM. I installed XP 32 bit to avoid problems. And, I have no real problems. However, will Poser run faster on a 64 bit OS? I would like to upgrade before you can't buy XP 64 bit anymore if it would be a better OS. Is it? Or is my 32 bit XP good enough? Thanks

PS. MY dual core is much faster than my old 3.4 gHZ Pentium 4 single core that has 2 gigs of RAM, even though the 6400+ is rated at 3.0 GHZ. I see a big difference. So would a 64 bit OS be even better or not?

XP 64bit would be able to access all of your RAM.  32 bit operating systems can only access 2 Gigs of RAM unless you hack the registry and use the /3 Gb switch.

I'm also going to go to XP Pro 65 bit to accomodate my ram.

I would highly recommend vista over XP 64.. I just did the update myself, and it was pretty flawless, with no real issues.

The problem with sticking with xp, is that some manufacturers are now making announcements about no longer updating drivers for it.. so if an issue comes up, some of your hardware might no longer function under xp, a pretty scary thought. And some hardware coming out now ONLY comes with vista drivers. (My new 28" flatscreen monitor only came with vista drivers, and once I updated and installed the vista drivers, soem minor issues with it cleared right up.)

It would be MUCH wiser to pay an extra $20 or $30 now, then to finally buy into Vista 6 months from now, because you need to for some new application or hardware addition.

I actually had mine as a free upgrade and had it sitting around here for almost a year before taking the plunge, because I read so much negativity about vista, but in retrospect, I wish now that I'd updated at least 6 months ago.

You can run Poser behind Ubuntu, too. Linux can use a helluva lot more Ram than with MSVista. Just not with Poser.

Quote - However, will Poser run faster on a 64 bit OS?

It's a common misconception that 64bit will make things faster - they don't.
However, Poser will get to use more memory on a 64bit OS.

Go for XP 64 as i dual boot 32 and 64 on AMD 4200 2GB MEM and Intel Q6600 with 2gb mem and 64 handles memory for 32 bit apps better.
I can render larger scenes with 64 over 32 and id give vista a miss unless you get vista 64 for its Internet security, as lots people dumping vista for xp that's why xp prices on ebay have sky rocketed.
Like 98ME and windows 2000 vista is a stop gap system to be replaced by windows 7 in 2010 so buying vista will be a waste of money.
I no people with super systems for gaming and 3d art ect who have dumped vista and gone back xp.

I have heard so many bad things about Vista, that I wanted to stick with XP. Any happy Vista users out there?

Quote - ...Any happy Vista users out there?

Yeah, very happy.

"Like 98ME and windows 2000 vista is a stop gap system to be replaced by windows 7 in 2010 so buying vista will be a waste of money."

So what do you do for the next two YEARS when you buy hardware that does not have drivers written for xp? If you read in the professional 3d art forums, you'll find nothing but praise for vista now, especially with sp 1.

A year ago I would have agreed with you, but not now.

I couldn't begin to TELL you the network headaches I had here with xp, trying to get my systems to see each other... with vista, just checked the network, and they are there and accessible.

And for all we know, windows 7 might end up REALLY being the next Windows ME.. so are you going to try to stick with xp until windows 8 6 or 7 years from now?

Microsoft even recently dropped the prices on vista as well.. good time to do the update.

And Stewer: respectfully, while programs not written in 64 won't actually run faster, I find my system in general runs MUCH faster under vista 64 then it did under xp pro32.. the only possiblities might be I can address my full 4 gig now, or vista's intelleging hard drive access functions might be kicking in.

(I do see slightly less fps perfomance in Unreal Tournament 3, but i have a feeling that just because that game has SO many issues that it's probably one of them.)

And as you can tell.. VERY happy Vista64 user here! Seems Vue6I really likes vista64 as well.

Anyway, I put in my .02... good luck on whatever decision you make, but going 64 bit in any fashion wil improve memory access, and for programs written for 64 bit, provide you some system speedups.

gareee are you invisible to others?

I have made up my mind to go with Vista 64 .

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Beats me? Am I? A rendo setting?
I do pop in and out when I'm working, and we're getting a hellacious thunderstorm right now, and I don't want to loose any work.

Quote - And Stewer: respectfully, while programs not written in 64 won't actually run faster, I find my system in general runs MUCH faster under vista 64 then it did under xp pro32.. the only possiblities might be I can address my full 4 gig now, or vista's intelleging hard drive access functions might be kicking in.

Different OS, different drivers, maybe even different hard drive (or at least a freshly formatted partition that's not fragmented) - if you say so, I'm sure it runs faster, but the extra bits are probably not the ones responsible.

Really,people think Microsoft will go with Windows 7 in 2010
Humm......... really ???? maybe 201......
.i think i would choose Vista 64 bits for years to come

Nope didn;t reformat 9I wanted to retain a lot of info on it, so it's got the be the vista drivers or such. Regardless though, they were written for the 64 bit vista os, and I'm sure there are some optimisations in there.

I'd say general system prefomance is up about 20-30% and for JUST an OS change, that's pretty remarkable.

After my system survived the update successfully, I did the wife's system as well, and she's happy as a clam that her system is running faster now as well.

This has been the best os update I've done, better then xp, which I really liked.

Only downside was the HUGE lenght or time to install, and to install all the updates for it.. I think it was 3-4 HOURS, but that was time well spent, since everything worked right outta the box.

Quote - So what do you do for the next two YEARS when you buy hardware that does not have drivers written for xp?

...build a Hackintosh?

(...what? I would, and am still contemplating it; I have the required patch, I just need to purchase Leopard and the laptop with just enough 'oomph to run it all on and make things worthwhile :) ).

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But won't you feel all "dirty" when you use the keyboard? (shudder!)

Me? I want Amiga to make a comeback....

Unfortunately, Amiga is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.  Amiga OS 4.0 was a waning attempt at something resembling a modern OS but didn't come close to anything out there.  Now they are in the multimedia bizz (AmigaAnywhere).  So long, good friend...

Yeah dead for like 15 years now.. but not forgotten.. ;)

Besides I still have my working old amiga systems to keep my old working atari computers company... LOL!

Definitely not forgotten.  I made my 'computer debut' on a Commodore C64 and then moved onto an Amiga 1000.  Up until about 1996, I had an Amiga 2000 in active use.  Still have tons of software and the OS up to Amiga OS 3.5.  Sad to see it flounder so.  Maybe an Amiga 64 would be a worthwhile project - bring it up to 64-bits (sheeze, considering that is was multitasking 32-bit nearly 20 years ago, you'd think this would be a cakewalk. Just follow Apple and move to Intel-based hardware).

December, 1983, Kaypro-64

That's 64K RAM.
OS = CPM

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yes 64 bits system make poser faster but not such as rabbit not ever !

Maybe you could make a test there before you change to 64 bits
So please : http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2732765

Also, there are another result/test in 64bits XP there :

http://renderfred.free.fr/p7benchmark.html

please, make the test my dear !

In 1983, I didn't know what a computer was (despite the IBM and Apple adverts).  It wasn't until about 1987 that I joined the 'revolucion'.  Viva la revolusion! ;)

The 'apparent' speed increases in applications run in 64-bit are caused by the addressing space and bus-width.  You don't have the bottlenecks of 32-bit processes vying for 32-bit space and bus.  You have 64-bit space and bus and this provides a 'negligible' increase in performance.  Those applications, like Poser 7, which take advantage of the 64-bit space/bus while remaining 32-bit gain further performance by ability to address 4GB of memory instead of 2 or 3.

To be completely transparent here, the 64-bit processors are still rated less than the highest-end 32-bit processors in speed (MHz or MIPS).  But optimizations of the system bus, memory, and other hardware-level connections cannot be ignored.  These aren't particularly '64-bit' optimizations - just resulting improvements in the transitional process.

Thanks, folks!

Quote - But won't you feel all "dirty" when you use the keyboard? (shudder!)

Of course not... perversion makes all kinds of things enjoyable (including a working OSX install on non-Mac hardware).

I got no kick against any particular hardware maker - it's the software that I'm picky about. :)

Quote - Me? I want Amiga to make a comeback....

Good luck - the last one I touched was in 1990 (yeah, it was nice, but...)

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Wih the eception of the whole "administrator" thing, I've been pretty impressed by vista 64 bit. At least so far. Everything works as advertised,and it's got a bunch of nifty features that come in handy.

I'm still not thrilled with the new search stuff, but once I nail it down, I'll probably be content with it.

I just don't get how when i search my entire system for something I KNOW exists, that it doesn;t find it.  (Could be an optimisation setting I changed though.)

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Different OS, different drivers, maybe even different hard drive (or at least a freshly formatted partition that's not fragmented) - if you say so, I'm sure it runs faster, but the extra bits are probably not the ones responsible.

And add - "a shiny, clean registry that isn't bogged down with years' worth of crap and corruptions".

That alone is why a new Windows box seems really peppy at first, but after a few months of normal use, literally gets a whole hell of a lot slower (depending on what you do on it).

Unless an app can actually use the extra address space, most of the boost you see is from the faster hardware and a clean install.

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Quote - Wih the eception of the whole "administrator" thing, I've been pretty impressed by vista 64 bit. At least so far. Everything works as advertised,and it's got a bunch of nifty features that come in handy.

Just curious: Have you tried running XP on the same hardware?

Quote - I just don't get how when i search my entire system for something I KNOW exists, that it doesn;t find it.  (Could be an optimisation setting I changed though.)

Heh - mine is easy - and Spotlight I assume will make it even easier once I upgrade the OS. :)

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