Now I'll just transfer the morph into my master files and go on to the smile, a.k.a. MouthWide.

Question: Are the JCMs supposed to work properly in DS? Because I get some weird pinching in spots in certain poses--especially in the pits when the arms are down. Is it just me or does DS not handle the JCMs well?

Quote - Question: Are the JCMs supposed to work properly in DS? Because I get some weird pinching in spots in certain poses--especially in the pits when the arms are down. Is it just me or does DS not handle the JCMs well?

I don't use DS, so I really can't say. I made the morphs using DS, though, so I'd assume they would work.

Posing the arms so that there's nothing weird happening in the pits is still tricky, even with all the JCMs Antonia has. So unless the same poses work fine in Poser, this does not need to be DS-related. That said, I've seen people claim that JCMs can behave differently in DS vs Poser.

I'll go take a look back through the thread again (whew!) and take a look at your renders of the standard poses (because it's happening even in them) to see if I can see a difference.

Hello there odf.  It's good to see you back, and Antonia is looking even better and I think it will improve over time.

Happy Holidays to you.

Still following this thread and trying to keep up.

Free time is still in short supply.

Hello-hello and a late ho-ho-ho, I took the freedom to enjoy some work-free days during the holidays (instead of unpacking some of the boxes in the attic waves at BlueEcho, I am slow as well) and now Leo pointed me to this thread and I see great things happening in the near future. Januray 11th 2011? Yep, that's a suitable date and Antonia is worth it. But odf, if you are not able to meet this deadline - don't care (and on the other hand please... do not choose November 20th 2011 - 20.11.2011 as the new release date )..

SaintFox: As I said before, what I don't get done in the next couple of weeks will probably not get done for a long, long time. So Antonia 1.0 will include whatever I have by then, and that's that. In a way, the MouthOpen morph was the only really crucial thing that had been missing, because of how it needs to be hooked up with the jaw movements.

I think this is the right time to send the signal that this project is now in a stable state, which is what a version 1.0 expresses. I won't say finished because one can always add things. But the foundations won't shift.

Good to hear - and wow, lots of work for the new year with Miki 3 and now Antonia (almost) finished! But hey, sleep is overrated, isn't it?! :laugh: So the January will be: Working for Antonia add-on's, working for Miki 3 add-on's and instead of sleep watching the handball WM. Sounds like heaps of fun!!

Quote - As I said before, what I don't get done in the next couple of weeks will probably not get done for a long, long time. So Antonia 1.0 will include whatever I have by then, and that's that.

Thank you immensely for doing this!  It's very easy to set a project aside and end up abandoning it altogether, when real life issues or time constraints, or whatever, get in the way.  We Antonia users and admirers and fans owe you our thanks.  :thumbupboth: :woot: :wub:  :thumbupboth: :woot: :wub:  :thumbupboth: :woot: :wub: :thumbupboth: :woot: :wub:

There just aren't emoticons to convey this sort of thing effectively.  Thank you, odf!

Hmmm... Emoticons... let's see if I find something that matches my feelings...

Sweet, but not really what I had in mind...

I think we feel

...and of course !

A bit like and very much like

So time to say Thank You ,  to render lots of imagesand  to spread the word that the final Antonia is near!!

any update on clothing for her? :)

 i like this character :D

That smile looks natural to me, more relaxed and really joyful!

Looking fantastic!

I need to take time tonight to see if my retail set works on the latest release.

Now I know to release her her in the Market Place I'll need some testers for the set so anyone interested can check th eBeta forum when I'm readt for testers. :)

Picked up a project I started a while ago for a simple dress. It won't be able to compete with anything you guys here are making, so if ever finished will be a freebie.

I try to do something with dedicated JCM's, simulating the slide/wrinkle process at the thigh 'kick' motion by doing linear approximations for parts of the curve. Should be straightforward in a technical application, but Poser is driving me crazy.

Anyway, a final Antonia to be released soon is a good incentive to make me go agia, so: march on soldier!  

Ah, I made the UV's represent real patches of cloth, with seams in the sides and at midfront and aft, etc. but for this image obviously took the wrong texture.

Quote - any update on clothing for her? :)

 i like this character :D

I'm assuming you've already looked through Freestuff on here?

RobynsVeil, any chance of getting a few extra morphs on your Misty Veil Hair and a hair fit for Toni?

I've noticed that in trying to make just the sides, front or back a little shorter or longer, there is some distortion.

I love this hair set but wish there were morphs. :)

BlueEcho: Do you know the hair fitters by Netherworks? I use them for all the "niche figures" like the Mikis and Terai Yuki, for the Kids and so on. I have not so much luck when converting conforming hair but for hr2, propped hair, hats and such things these tools work perfect and the included python scripts make the process of converting and creating the morph fast. Maybe someone has already contact to this vendor and can talk him/her into making such a set for Antonia?

Quote - RobynsVeil, any chance of getting a few extra morphs on your Misty Veil Hair and a hair fit for Toni?

I've noticed that in trying to make just the sides, front or back a little shorter or longer, there is some distortion.

I love this hair set but wish there were morphs. :)

Hi BlueEcho... actually, i only wish Misty Veil were mine... ...but we do both have 'Veil" in our names...

I think I'm finally happy with the smile, though. I've automated making one-sided versions of my expression morphs, as well. But the whole process is still tedious. Too many steps between the tweaking and the testing.

Thats great ODF. She is looking great.

I hear you about tweaking and testing, the process reminds me on some parts of a texture (lips, brows). This asymetric, undecided face is too sweet :laugh:

RobinsVeil, don't know how I got confused on that hair, it's by Valea.

It does fit toni pretty good but it needs better control over the morphs.

Anyone doing hair speciffically for Antonia?

I've just updated the data-file Antonia's Puppet Master support on the Freebie-site for the new version of our girl (most of all because I was able to achieve better results whensetting her up). If someone uses the data with Puppet Master: The feet and toes tend to be posed in an extremely twisted and bended way, this has to be corrected manually or by using limits, so far I was not able to get rid of this effect.

Yep, see that face in my mirror every morning... except with a few more lines :biggrin: good call, ODF.

well done. She is the perfect 'girl next door' like this. We have too many supermodels already.

I think I'm making some decent progress. One more mouth shape to go, and then it's eyes and brows. The hardest ones - mouth open, smile, frown, narrow and sneer - are past me, and I've got my work flow set up pretty nicely, which means I should be able to make some more progress on weeknights after work starts again on Tuesday. It doesn't look like I will be completely finished by January 11, but close. I might release a version 0.9.127 or even a release candidate for 1.0 around mid January, take a short break, and then do the final spurt.

Quote - "Antonia looks into her closet".

I'm working on it; I'm still struggling with the JCM's.

Anyway, I've done all the major shapes for the mouth and lips. There are still some auxiliary ones that I'm saving for later. The lids and brows are next. But I'll also have to experiment a bit and find out how to best weigh the asymmetric versions of the mouth shapes.

Okay, the expression morphs for the mouth are now on github. The adventurous among you can download via https://github.com/odf/Antonia.Polygon/zipball/master.

I just downloaded her. As always, great work, ODF. The morphs look good.

Thanks! Fortunately, I have Jason Osipa's book to go by, so I know what to look for in the individual shapes, and that once I have the complete set they will provide a very good basis for all kinds of expressions.

Started on the eyes tonight..

Great lord above!

You're still working on her! For reasons unknown I haven't been getting notifications about this thread. I assumed, somewhat wrongly it appears, that you'd all given up on her. She's looking good, how close are we to 1.0 now?

With regard to clothing for her, can you not just use Morphing Clothes and fit all the existing stuff to her!? It works with hair too. I'll see what I can do at some point.

CHEERS!

Quote - Great lord above!

You're still working on her! For reasons unknown I haven't been getting notifications about this thread. I assumed, somewhat wrongly it appears, that you'd all given up on her. She's looking good, how close are we to 1.0 now?

With regard to clothing for her, can you not just use Morphing Clothes and fit all the existing stuff to her!? It works with hair too. I'll see what I can do at some point.

CHEERS!

Sheesh, great idea! And what, distribute the fits as pose files? WOW, suddenly Antonia's wardrobe is gargantuan! :biggrin:

I don't know about distribution, but, it'd work, wouldn't it?

CHEERS!

Should do, i should think...

Quote - With regard to clothing for her, can you not just use Morphing Clothes and fit all the existing stuff to her!? It works with hair too. I'll see what I can do at some point.

Tried that: Morph and pose V3 to fit Antonia in zero position, with key points (feet, knees, crotch, nipples, shoulders, elbows, wrists and neck matching, then saved that pose and apply it to V3 morphing clothing. Theoretically this should result in a fitting geometry.

Had moderate success. Pose definition somehow seems prone to drift. This may depend on clothing item used. Maybe I try again with a DAZ official item like the MFD. 

Or just wait for WW2 support.

I wonder id the program crossdresser will support her someday?

With Morphing Clothes, you'd transfer Antonia's body morph(s) into a new copy of the existing clothing. You will then have the clothing with a dial (or dials) to fit the clothing. I've done it successfully with V4 clothing and the Reby Sky figure and see no reason why the same couldn't be done with Antonia.

CHEERS!

The difference is that Reby Sky is not actually a figure, but a customization of V4. Antonia is standalone and vertices etc do not correspond.

Believable3d is right. Morphing clothes will transform any morph of a figure to clothes that are native to a figure. In fact you can take V4's first dress and fit it to SP4 or Reby Sky (or even any custom morph you make or purchase) on the fly. But you can not take a clothing item that is not made for Antonia and add Antonia's shape to it with Morphing Clothes. To do this you need Wardrobe Wizard or Cross Dresser. But maybe you can use Morphing Clothes on such a converted pose to add an Antonia custom morph...

With poses I had good results meanwhile (depsite the usual overly bent and twisted feet and toes - but that's normal) with setting up Antonia in Puppet Master. I've uplaoded an updated dat-file for her to the Freebie site that can be used with the universal poses as well.

But as said: I am not a profi in doing this so tweaks will be necessary and Antonia may float in the air and has to be set to the ground.

Oh, never mind then,

It was a thought anyhow. Maybe when Antonia gets to 1.0 folk will sit up and take notice. Maybe if it was sold then vendors would see it and make stuff for it.

CHEERS!

Regarding Crossdresser, I haven't heard from the person who maintains that program. PhilC has expressed interest in adding support for Antonia some time ago, so I'll shortly let him know that she's ready for it. He needs a stable figure (topology, shape, JCMs and JPs) before he can get to work. But of course I don't know if he's still interested and what his current workload is.

If anyone's keen on getting Crossdresser support, I suggest they go ask for it themselves. Since if I understand correctly, figure support is sold individually for that program, I imagine the more people ask for it, the better the chances it will be added.

Tried to fit the DAZ MFD for V3 to Antonia tonight. Got to the stage of a basic fit with transformations, standard morphs, and 3 magnets: one to correct the back of the neck and one with a mirror magnet to correct the length of the arms. Remaining trouble points are:

1 - the elbows, where V3 has broken straws and Antonia of course has the nice curvature we all know and like so much.

2 - The width of the breasts. I can not find a morph in the MFD to make the bust less dangling to the sides.

3 - Curve of the back. V3 is a sort of hunchback; shape frozen in the chest

Anyway, nothing a few more magnets/morphs will not cure. Then export geometry, and then of course carry over the rig, etc.

@bagoas: Chapeau for your effort, especially because you start with the Morphing Fantasy Dress, a piece of clothing that is, even in it's original form, a pain to work with as soon as you try to make your figure sit or lay down.

I am pretty sure that Antonia will get more support especially because people who post to this thread already plan on commercial products. At least as soon as these hit the marketplace more vendors will download Antonia and ponder over her needs

And again: These are VERY nice expressions!! Although you, odf, already think about finishing the mouth morphs I would like to see a kind of pucker-expression. If used alone it often looks kind of silly. But together with other face morphs you are able to create a convincing look of this typical "Oh!" or "Oooops"-face we all know from vintage-pinups. And of course it is important for simulating speech and a kissing-expression.