Quick Tips on Selection Madness (for Fran)

ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:08 PM · edited Tue, 26 November 2024 at 7:52 PM

Use the Quick Mask Mode and the paintbrush.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:09 PM

Switch the colors so that black is now the foreground color. Use black to select and white to unselect.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:12 PM

Select a brush, adjust the size and hardness to taste.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:13 PM

Paint what you want to select. It will turn transparent red.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:14 PM · edited Wed, 24 June 2009 at 1:15 PM

When you have finished painting what you wanted selected, click on Edit in Standard Mode or the Quick Mask Mode to exit and see your selection surrounded by “marching ants”.

The end...

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 7:42 PM

Okay, I've got as far as this:

I'm not sure what to do with it next - I think that the two dips would need to be selected and so would the words... but they are different levels to the diamonds so what do I do with them?

AS's Gate thingie mentioned different greys but how do you know just HOW different these greys should be?

Do I get out of quick mask now or do I continue selecting?

Help?

Well I've saved the image - hoping that quickmask is saved with it! as it's twenty to 2 in the morning and boiling hot here, I'm gonna try for a bit of sleep. With the heat I wouldn't but I'm completely bushed after spending 4 1/2 hours re-sorting out the UV map for a cable - deadly stuff! (and it didn't work)

Measure your mind's height
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Fran's Freestuff

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 24 June 2009 at 9:02 PM

Well, you could come out of the quick mask mode and go to Select -> Save Selection.
Make sure you have New Channel clicked in and you write in a new name to save your selection in. Then you will know you have save you selection to a new channel.

Then you can go back and "paint" the dip and save that to another channel.

I know what you mean weatherwise. In a couple of months it will be dog's days of August, hot, muggy, sticky weather and that means high electric bill in September, October and November.
UGH!!!

TS

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 6:20 AM

Yeh yeh, already done the save selection bit last night, I'm about to start painting the dips and then the text - what I need to know is what to do with the dratted things.

Why a huge electric bill in September, October and November?

And if it's gonna be hotter in August - I'll die! Nooooooooo!

Measure your mind's height
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Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 7:25 AM

Sent you sitemail.

You could copy and paste to separate layer each set of the selections and then if you'll really adventurous, you could overlay with a varying shade of greyness depending on how deep you want it to be... Remember white is very tall, black is empty, grey and various shade of greyness are different heights/depths in the terrain editor.

As for the bill, because It really doesn't start cooling off til after October and the billing cycle for the months are always 2 months ahead. Creepy when you live in New York City and have to pay a company with the word ,"Con" in its name.... Please, don't get me started... :lol:

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 9:09 AM

Copy and paste selections to separate layers? Okay.... um.... should these layers also have the drain image in them, or is it okay to leave that on the background only?

Oh greyness, well I've already asked AgentSmith about what he does on that - I'm just awaiting a reply, if he's not busy.

"Please, don't get me started... "

Ah, I see, and I know that feeling, been there, done that, do NOT want a T shirt!

Thanks for all your help, I really feel I'm getting closer now...

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Quest ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 11:14 AM · edited Thu, 25 June 2009 at 11:15 AM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2615494

On the topic of greyness see link above for Brycian explanation. Fig. 1 is a 3/4 side view of fig. 2. Fig. 3 is same as fig. 2 without the text numbers on it (best if you zoom in on image).

ThunderStone ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 12:19 PM

Thanks, Quest, That will give me a visual guide to how to best use the grey shades.

TS

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 5:59 PM

I've got a question about this quick mask:-

Is it possible to tell PhotoShop to just paint the red in fully red? So that if want to select the thing I just masked, it will select it properly, and not mostly faint with tiny patches of full opacity???

At the moment I have to keep on going over it 6 or 7 times just to be sure it got everything.

Help?

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

ThunderStone ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 6:45 PM

You would need to set the brush hardness to 100 % and the opacity of the "paint to 100 % and the flow too. Check the top bar menu where it says opacity and flow. Those 2 need to be set to 100% not 25 or whatever default number they have it at.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 6:53 PM · edited Thu, 25 June 2009 at 6:53 PM

I already have those all set to 100%:

What else could it be?

Measure your mind's height
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Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 6:56 PM

Maybe it would be better if you set the diameter of the brush a little bigger like maybe a 5 or 6 or even a 9 ???

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 7:07 PM

But if I do that I can't paint into the tiny text, I need a small brush or I over run all the text.

Measure your mind's height
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Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 8:04 PM

Okay, after continuously painting and painting, I finally have this:

Is this right?

Now here I still have the very edges of the drain, that sort of lip edge thing, not painted - do I paint that too?

Measure your mind's height
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Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Thu, 25 June 2009 at 8:54 PM

It's up to you. Use your best judgment. But so far it looks fine. Remember the different shade of greys represent the different heights. So judging from the looks of this I had say you got it down right.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 9:41 AM · edited Fri, 26 June 2009 at 9:43 AM

I'm fairly sure I have the contrasts right, ie darker means lower, lighter means higher (and that's thanks to Quest's nice demo diagram in that old thread of his) - but whether I have the amounts right... I can't tell yet, my total inexperience here has me saying -

"I dunno, don't ask me, I ain't got a clue!"

I mean those dips.... they look awful dark to me, and anyway dips are rounded in their depth, not just straight down as here...

I wish there was some way to put a gradient on the dips.

There isn't is there???

Or is there?

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 10:02 AM

Yes, but you will have to experiment with them... Select 2 or 3 shades of grey, each progressively darker than the previous one and try using either radial or linear direction and see what happens.

Fun, ain't it.???

:b_grin:

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Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 10:20 AM

Just thought of something. When you try this experiment, try shrinking the selection and applying the next darker shade of grey from the top.and then do a slight gaussin blur. Don't know if that would work better than the gradient but try it and see what happens.

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 10:34 AM · edited Fri, 26 June 2009 at 10:40 AM

I'm still trying to get the right gradient, I'm currently looking in the help - now that shows how desperate I am don't it? Lol!

And I'm not understanding it (as usual) - why is this so hard? Gradients used to be really easy - or was that in PaintShopPro?

I want a circular (ellipse actually but I know that'll be asking for the moon) gradient going from my current background colour to my current foreground colour (having already chosen my greys), cos I don't like the only gradients in the presets (there are about 4 up there) and the closest seems to be a diamond shape - which is total rubbish.

Arrrgggghhhhhh!

Beastly instructions on help are telling me to use New Adjustment Layer / gradient map - it's h£lll!!!! Terrible!

It can't be that one.

....

What the heck is an "Options Bar"?????

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 11:03 AM

Okay... I see another mini tut coming... It will have to wait til I get back from PT today. I'll work on it while dinner is in the oven and post it up hopefully later tonight. Don't wait up, tho. LOL

Oh, goody, more screen caps! :b_tonguewink:

TS

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 1:34 PM

Well... you said you hoped you'd never have to go through that again... oops!

Still, practice makes perfect. Lol!

It's been quite a while since I made a tutorial, I've been wondering about video... but then I don't much like following video tuts and much prefer text and screen cap ones - it's so much easier to refer back to a small part of a text tut, rather than having to wade through a huge video just to find out the one thing you need. So I guess I shouldn't think of making a video tut, but just text and images ones.

Hmmm...

Anyway, I'm going to keep trying to do this stupid gradient until I either figure it out or you can help me - or anyone really - as the song says - "Something's gotta give"

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 5:48 PM · edited Fri, 26 June 2009 at 5:56 PM

Still haven't figured out the gradient thing, so I got bored, and thought I'd try the new texture out to see how it's coming...

I'm not sure.... is this better or not?

It looks fuzzy close too and AS's didn't - so something's not working yet.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:05 PM

Did you smooth out the noises in the original image before you added your grey shade???

You have to remember to make it metallic too as well and drop the bumps down a tad bit...

About those gradients, in the next set of replies following this I will attempt to explain the workings of making a gradients and option bar, etc.

Stay tuned.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:06 PM

Select the Gradient Tool under the Paint Bucket Tool

Click the gradient bar in the menu bar (see above image)

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:06 PM

That will drop down the option bar to create the gradient. I suggest that you take the light grey from the plate top and make it slightly darker.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:07 PM

(In the color picker menu, click “L” and set it to 50. For the middle grey, make “L” 45 and the left grey make it 27. See the above image.)

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:09 PM

Use the magic wand to select the “dip” and create a new layer.

Go back and select the gradient tool.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:10 PM

Zoom in close enough so you see where to place the gradient cursor

Place it so that it is about middle of the dark grey dip.

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ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:11 PM

Hold down on the shift key and click and drag the cursor straight down past the selection ants. You will have to practice to get this just right a few times. That is why it is advised to use a separate layer to fill with the gradient.

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Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

ThunderStone ( ) posted Fri, 26 June 2009 at 7:13 PM

BTW I took the liberty of copying your image from this forum to play with so I could use the greys that you're using. Hope this was of some help.

TS

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 8:07 AM · edited Sat, 27 June 2009 at 8:10 AM

Attached Link: Bryce Images from Grey Textures

Yes, I see, you seem to be going rather a long way around there, but that'll be because I saved the selections from before and thus had a short cut.

So I got to this:

No1 is from before gradients
2 is the first attempt
3 2nd using a darker lowest colour
4 3rd using even darker

And none are good enough.

Ah, I seem to have posted the Bryce image results using these greys to the other thread, see link above.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 8:33 AM

The darkest one I also moved the end point to just outside the selection. But it didn't help.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 5:28 PM · edited Sat, 27 June 2009 at 5:32 PM

Okay, I think I've finally got it.

I was pretty much despairing with Gradients, it just wasn't working at all.

So I finally thought I'd better try ThunderStone's idea of shrinking the selection and filling with ever darker colours.

It doesn't work without a bit of tweaking, because of those bar remnants that go across the dips - what originally formed the handles to lift the cover before they rusted away - so I had to paint some of the graded colours by hand, the ends nearest the bars.

Plus when you blur, you get dark lines around the edges of the dips, these had to be painted out too, and yet a faint ridge remains, causing that odd glitch you see in the brown half of the image above, but compared with the others this is a much better effort - especially when the texture is added.

What I'm wondering now is how do you do a decent pebbly sand?

Preferably without having to paint every - single - pebble!!!???

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

ThunderStone ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 5:34 PM

Rather than use the blur filter from the filter menu, use the blur tool which would give you a more precise control of blurring. It's located on the tool menu, and looks like a droplet.

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

ThunderStone ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 5:38 PM

As for the pebbly sand, you could use one of those pebbly presets in rock and stone section.

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 5:56 PM

What? Use a preset? After all this trouble? It would look dreadful! Especially after all this trouble with the drain part of it.

I meant making a decent terrain out of that pebbly beach photo I went to so much effort to tile, this one:

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

skiwillgee ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 9:28 PM

You are a true trooper, Fran.

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 27 June 2009 at 9:32 PM

I think I've managed to get the pebble beach terrain better:

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

skiwillgee ( ) posted Sun, 28 June 2009 at 11:44 AM

It looks awesome!

ThunderStone ( ) posted Sun, 28 June 2009 at 2:22 PM

That's looks super! Fran, you've done it!!!

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9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 28 June 2009 at 6:31 PM

Thanks guys, you were all great! especially us girls! ROFL!

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

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